HD results

woland77 · 22-05-2009, 13:38

Great Hanka, in Italy is possible to ask the photo at the central, i agree with this idea. Ever we don't know if HD A, form Czech is the same of HD A of Italy or Poland. With the photo the breeder can valutate real condition, and comparate!

Hanka · 22-05-2009, 13:43

Yes Massimo, I know. But I think, in some countries

is measuring very "soft". So, for me is much much better to see foto by my own eyes. I want use only males, what have result, what I can belive......I hope you know what I mean.

massimo · 22-05-2009, 13:49

oh yes...now i understand what you mean...if Official results should be trusted, so neither WD or Margo but the actual HD examinator.
Sorry I'm no vet and I don't feel I have enough experience.

wolfin · 22-05-2009, 13:59

Hanka, but who help this rtg foto in WD galery? You be expert for HD examination? or Massimo? or Woland? In Lithuania rtg foto have only vet and LKD not owner. In this case we not cann send this rtg foto to this galery only results.
I know, Margo thake to data basa only rtg results when have hes copy, not worts but mas send skan results with pedigree.
If You think about this " not polish HD A is this same like Italian or Czech HD A" mas about this send to FCI and speak oficial about bad others veterinar who not cann make this HD exams.
I think IF vet have licenzion for examination and this be FCI OFICIAL licenzion all is ok. Or You think only CZ wets be the best in world?

Mikael · 22-05-2009, 14:29

I think it is a very bad idea...

First I do not se the point at all, if you have a official HD result it will be added, and if a buyer or breeder wonts to se the x-ray they can ask for it...

If you are not satesfied whit a C/C you can send the X-ray to FCI...

Second the risk for bad quality and for cheating is to big...

Even today kennels are trying to putt up unofficial results as officiall

Whit a system like that it will get worse

Best regards / Mikael

*Satu · 22-05-2009, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael

If you are not satesfied whit a C/C you can send the X-ray to FCI...

FCI doesn´t care about x-ray results.

In finland you can but your photos FKL panel and after that Nordic KennelUnion panel but in FIN database you can read what happend.

And there is no results from outside FIN....

massimo · 22-05-2009, 14:53

Mikael,
Hanka's idea is not as bad as you think...
if you consider it on a wide scale of course it makes no sense as we cannot help trusting the professional and authorised vets who read the HD xrays
BUT... and this depends on the consciousness of each breeder, if you have a doubt on a male you want to use as a stud, or on the parents of the puppy you plan to buy...
Then all you have to do is ASK for a copy of the xrays (if possible) and ask for a second advice.
Easy!
massimo

massimo · 22-05-2009, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin

You be expert for HD examination? or Massimo?

oh no..not me!!
I can help you with wine if you want! (or female beauty...)

wolfin · 22-05-2009, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

oh no..not me!!
I can help you with wine if you want! (or female beauty...)

hmm, I think about this

woland77 · 22-05-2009, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes Massimo, I know. But I think, in some countries

is measuring very "soft". So, for me is much much better to see foto by my own eyes. I want use only males, what have result, what I can belive......I hope you know what I mean.

Yes, it is known that a grade A from the Czech Republic that is more than a grade A from Italy.. i agree with you,is better than the breeder, especially when using non-secure lines on HD, it should choose the stud-dog based on the photo about x-ray!

Vaiva · 22-05-2009, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes Massimo, I know. But I think, in some countries

is measuring very "soft". So, for me is much much better to see foto by my own eyes. I want use only males, what have result, what I can belive......I hope you know what I mean.

So if you are interested in a concrete stud, you can contact his owner directly and ask

22-05-2009, 13:38	#1
woland77 Gran figl de putt Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,638	Great Hanka, in Italy is possible to ask the photo at the central, i agree with this idea. Ever we don't know if HD A, form Czech is the same of HD A of Italy or Poland. With the photo the breeder can valutate real condition, and comparate! __________________ IO CE L'HO PROFUMATO

22-05-2009, 13:49	#3
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	oh yes...now i understand what you mean...if Official results should be trusted, so neither WD or Margo but the actual HD examinator. Sorry I'm no vet and I don't feel I have enough experience. __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

22-05-2009, 13:59	#4
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Hanka, but who help this rtg foto in WD galery? You be expert for HD examination? or Massimo? or Woland? In Lithuania rtg foto have only vet and LKD not owner. In this case we not cann send this rtg foto to this galery only results. I know, Margo thake to data basa only rtg results when have hes copy, not worts but mas send skan results with pedigree. If You think about this " not polish HD A is this same like Italian or Czech HD A" mas about this send to FCI and speak oficial about bad others veterinar who not cann make this HD exams. I think IF vet have licenzion for examination and this be FCI OFICIAL licenzion all is ok. Or You think only CZ wets be the best in world? __________________

22-05-2009, 14:29	#5
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	I think it is a very bad idea... First I do not se the point at all, if you have a official HD result it will be added, and if a buyer or breeder wonts to se the x-ray they can ask for it... If you are not satesfied whit a C/C you can send the X-ray to FCI... Second the risk for bad quality and for cheating is to big... Even today kennels are trying to putt up unofficial results as officiall Whit a system like that it will get worse Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916 Last edited by Mikael; 22-05-2009 at 16:43. Reason: text error

22-05-2009, 14:53	#7
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	Mikael, Hanka's idea is not as bad as you think... if you consider it on a wide scale of course it makes no sense as we cannot help trusting the professional and authorised vets who read the HD xrays BUT... and this depends on the consciousness of each breeder, if you have a doubt on a male you want to use as a stud, or on the parents of the puppy you plan to buy... Then all you have to do is ASK for a copy of the xrays (if possible) and ask for a second advice. Easy! massimo __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

22-05-2009, 13:43	#2
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Yes Massimo, I know. But I think, in some countries is measuring very "soft". So, for me is much much better to see foto by my own eyes. I want use only males, what have result, what I can belive......I hope you know what I mean.