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[AMERICANI]

Leave Wolves to the zoos and preserves. CZWs ARE AWESOME!! They get attention from everyone (with or without a clue) and It is a wonderful experience just watching them behave and live in the manner they do. BUT!!! if you are just looking for something as an ego booster, get a aquarium with pirhanas and show your buddies how fast a steak dissappears.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

get a aquarium with pirhanas and show your buddies how fast a steak dissappears.

Better Traíras, when he had enogh of the fishs, he can put it in his swimming pool for a while and when it reach 40 cm its only cook, they're only not such collorful, but have best taste.
A small one in aquarium

[kirowan]

thanks for the input.i think some of you have got the wrong end of the stick.i was only asking i am well aware of uk defra rules.i was told wolf hybrids arew obtainable,and im well aware of the wilderness ive worked in several countrys with wildlife including india with tigers.all of my animals are considered wild.captive bred does not mean domestic.aall animals respond to there proper training to suit individual species.my golden eagle is captive bred but she can take down roe deer and in mongolia they catch wolfs with them.the reason for the hybrid is educational talks and were currently trying to stop eagles being flown at wolfs in middle asia.so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks for the input.i think some of you have got the wrong end of the stick.i was only asking i am well aware of uk defra rules.i was told wolf hybrids arew obtainable,and im well aware of the wilderness ive worked in several countrys with wildlife including india with tigers.all of my animals are considered wild.captive bred does not mean domestic.aall animals respond to there proper training to suit individual species.my golden eagle is captive bred but she can take down roe deer and in mongolia they catch wolfs with them.the reason for the hybrid is educational talks and were currently trying to stop eagles being flown at wolfs in middle asia.so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

OK I se, you live in GB not GD as it say in your info

But way can you not use your inuit from shoshone kennel ???

I think a pure wolf will realy make your work harder, if possible at all

Regards / Mikael

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks for the input.i think some of you have got the wrong end of the stick.i was only asking i am well aware of uk defra rules.i was told wolf hybrids arew obtainable,and im well aware of the wilderness ive worked in several countrys with wildlife including india with tigers.all of my animals are considered wild.captive bred does not mean domestic.aall animals respond to there proper training to suit individual species.my golden eagle is captive bred but she can take down roe deer and in mongolia they catch wolfs with them.the reason for the hybrid is educational talks and were currently trying to stop eagles being flown at wolfs in middle asia.so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

So you should officially contact zoo's or some reservations and say you are looking for a wolf for educational uses

[kirowan]

thanks for the last two replys.my shoshone dog is a rehome.ill have to see how she progresses she is 2 year old.i was thinking of a pup so that it can be totally socialised,the falcons and hawks i use are what is termed inprinted.this allows these animals to be used with people and children with out stressing the animal.and ultimately allows us to inseminate female birds and take semen from male birds again without stress and there fore enhances consevation methods when dealing with threatened species.i the 70s there were only 16 individual mauritus kestrels left in the wild.now with care ful management and a mix of captive and wildbed birds there are over 150 pairs.the big preditors in the world are most threatened im sure you agree we have to act now.in the next 100 years it will be to late.wolfs are an important part of the echo system and i love them.just want to do my bit.so any advice is welcome.

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks for the last two replys.my shoshone dog is a rehome.ill have to see how she progresses she is 2 year old.i was thinking of a pup so that it can be totally socialised,the falcons and hawks i use are what is termed inprinted.this allows these animals to be used with people and children with out stressing the animal.and ultimately allows us to inseminate female birds and take semen from male birds again without stress and there fore enhances consevation methods when dealing with threatened species.i the 70s there were only 16 individual mauritus kestrels left in the wild.now with care ful management and a mix of captive and wildbed birds there are over 150 pairs.the big preditors in the world are most threatened im sure you agree we have to act now.in the next 100 years it will be to late.wolfs are an important part of the echo system and i love them.just want to do my bit.so any advice is welcome.

You obviously know what your doing with your birds, and it's commendable that you want to do so much to help conservation issues with other animals. Remember, though, that birds and wolves speak very different languages, and are therefor much, much different to care for. Although I am really comfortable and confident around dogs, and I'm sure with more study and experience, I could be the same way with wolves, I KNOW that I have zero experience with birds, and I would wind up loosing a finger (or worse!) if I tried to jump in and care for one!

If you really do want to work with education and things like that, find a group near you that works with wolves, like a zoo or park that has captive wolves that can be handled by humans and have been human raised (not just wolves on display that can't be touched), and ask them as many questions as possible. Go and visit often, and first observe the wolves' behaviors on their own, without any contact. Read up on wolf behavior and pack structure. There are tons of books out there written by researchers about this subject, and also about raising captive wolves.

As you learn, see if maybe you can volunteer your time working for a group like that, to get more up-close experience with the wolves. You'll also need to learn the laws in your area of how one obtains a license to house these animals, and what sort of enclosures you'll need to build (a little hint, you're going to need a decent bit of property to fence off, your wolves will NOT be living in your home!) I'm pretty positive you'll need to get a pair of wolves, as well, since they are very social creatures, and living outside, alone, will cause a "lone wolf" to go crazy.

Remember, too, that even with all your efforts, there's still a chance that your wolves may grow up and decide they're not going to be social enough to actually go anywhere for educational events, and maybe to the point where they can't have people in their enclosure at all. You'll have to be ok with the fact that you might end up with a pair of animals you'll have to care for, for over a decade that you may never even be able to have contact with. However, if that does happen, you may be able to find solace in the fact that you can still open your property to the public to do talks about wolves, your birds, and conservation efforts.

So, yeah, it's a daunting task to privately own an exotic, wild animal like a wolf. You may find that you'd rather work through an organization that can do the housing and harder work for you, while you still get a chance to speak out about conservation. But I hope you at least take a lot of time to weigh all your options and decide which path is truly right for you.

[kirowan]

thanks vicky and mikael that is an awesome site you told mw to go on.this is what im after,great advice and some good contacts.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by kirowan

so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

I think, you can train alot of differant breeds to do your work or a mix breed...

What you need is a dog that is easy to train and look like a wolf...

I think you can use a CsV, but there is more easy breeds to own and train, that allso looks like wolfs, and I think that is what you are to look for, as a wolf or a mix whit wolf (hybrid) is not easy at all to work whit...

Maby this breed is something for you http://www.tamaskan-dog.com/
As I think a CsV will be very hard for you to get, as you live in UK, and this breed is more easy to train and own, as there is no wolf blood added...

Best regards / Mikael

[kirowan]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

Leave Wolves to the zoos and preserves. CZWs ARE AWESOME!! They get attention from everyone (with or without a clue) and It is a wonderful experience just watching them behave and live in the manner they do. BUT!!! if you are just looking for something as an ego booster, get a aquarium with pirhanas and show your buddies how fast a steak dissappears.

funny ive had natteri ie red pirhana.dont suffer ego problems,but i do get totally involved in my work and conservation my friend. i also hunt quite a lot.whats the old saying.never judge a book by its cover.

[AMERICANI]

Hey man, I love and respect wildlife conservation, hunting, fishing, and the works. No hard feelings intended, just looking out for the best interests of our dogs and community. I hope you realize some of the misguided issues revolving around our breed worldwide. We (the majority of CzW owners) want the best reputation, and we should be very careful sometimes... I love Pirhanas... I don't have any ego issues either

[kirowan]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

Hey man, I love and respect wildlife conservation, hunting, fishing, and the works. No hard feelings intended, just looking out for the best interests of our dogs and community. I hope you realize some of the misguided issues revolving around our breed worldwide. We (the majority of CzW owners) want the best reputation, and we should be very careful sometimes... I love Pirhanas... I don't have any ego issues either

no probs i understand.you have to show your dedicated and have the right intentions.love your running wolf