Responsible breeding - health

[wolfin]

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

what more could one expect from good old wolfin.......

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

i love posting this site, the replys will come later as everyone is now looking up the data base to see if they have any E scores in there lines before replying to the posts........suckers

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

sorry i must dash of to another forum to start another scandel lots of love Pacino

[martiou07]

Solowolf, I do not need to consult the base of data to know on which line you work… to you do not be only, and I do not include/understand why stockbreeders work on this line, I do not think that is a good base for the development a race in construction like the wolfhound….

But I understand that you find an answer, normal, it acts of your work, you know self-criticism can be very use

[Nebulosa]

I was really waiting someone comment about the HD results of Oskar, even because somethings mey be explained, as probably much more officially C dogs will be used on Brazil, as its common.
Nobody nor even wonder why?
Lets put some points here, Oskar have 100º in each hips, it means that by european rules of evaluation he will be B, as any vet who read it can confirme.
For a male dog here receive A result, if must be REALLY good one, as the veterinarians have the will to avoid the overusing of a male, which is pretty common in imported dogs ( like Oskar) here, and that's why you will meet dogs that have their hips evaluate over the world as A, and received B or C in Brazil.
By the way its good, because only good dogs will be used on breeding, by other side its bad, as some good stud dogs was almost put out of reproduction because they had receive D in our results with 98º in the hips, which will be C in europe, that's why mainly the breed clubs lets the owners/breeder choice if they want send the Hip results for be evaluate in the origin country of the breed in question.

So far I sended the HD of Oskar for be evaluate by Siambieda in Poland, lets wait the official results by there, if be different I will think about put out this C or not, because even Oskar beging a nice dog with excelent character and very interessing line, I don't consider him an exemple of male for the breed, but his line for sure is important to us.
If he will be used again or not, will depend on the hips results of his puppies... evaluated by the brazilian comitee, so you can wait more C dogs in the males.

The part you forget to remember, is that both dogs have 0-0 in their elbows ( when only the 1 result here can put your dog non-molosser almost out of reproduction, as the vets LOVES this result even in healty dogs, like in displasy), as Jezebeth have A in the OFFICIAL BRAZILIAN RESULTS, so, she really have good hips.

You also foget to say, that of the 9 puppies who born in the J. z peronówki litter, 7 of then have been X rayed with HD A, that all the X rayed puppies of Jolly ( only fell of then didn't have as they don't reach the age or the owners don't need it) the worst result we can meet is B.
Also about the nice HD results of Baron and his decendents, so far I think I can use Jezebeth even with a male which is really HD: C.

But Solowolf, I don't know why did you concern to much about the breed health as you had mate dogs with no ED results at all, as Lynx-Legend van Rijneckerhof and Next Best Thing ---Pacino--- was used withou ANY KIND OF RESULTS, no mention that Brix Bis de Louba tar have no results at all also.
But you see, even it will not be such huge problem if they had comes from a healty line, which they don't.



You see, a breeder with small knowledge about genetic already knows, that those dogs can be good breeding animals if the breeder know how to use they and cover only dogs with line for excelent hips, so I ask you, what are you doing? What do you want with breeding, Increasing the HD problems? Or maybe, it happened because you don't mate your females with a nice male after study and choice his line, but with the one you have disponible and easiest as possible.

we have been removed from breeders listings and our flag also removed, from previous posts the uk breeders have been offended and now black listed by moderators on wolfdog.org.

And what do you want if you have no trusthfull breeding of CzW in your country? You can't guilty the webpage owners and moderators because they had the good sense of took out breeders that like you, make mixes with CzW.
Of course, when appear someone serious that at least breed with PURE dogs, this person will be on database independant of the country.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I can confirm the statement of Paula and add the statement of one of the German specialists in HD, who was one of the persons invented the HD-Xray systhem here and is member of the group working on genetic orthopedic disorders in dogs, he clearly said to me on asking for it that it can be absolutely sensible to use a dog with a C hip of a breed with a genetic small base AS LONG AS YOU TAKE CARE WHICH MATING PARTNER YOU USE AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A TIGHT SELECTION ON THE OFFSPRING.
I am sure that Paula will take care of this.

And I also fully agree with Paulas statement about the GB-breeding and will add another point: A breeder that never came further in meeting breeders and dogs than France, Netherlands and surrounding states, that never joined a Clubshow with a specialised judge out of a country of origin and a bonitation with the same should be very, very careful with his judgement about others and first look at his own breeding and doing.

All in all I think we should ignore a wannabe with very few true things to say.

Ina

[miguelcary17]

I would like to believe that all this argue is all about the improve of the race and not about yours “Selves” and yours belly buttons.
And that at the end of the day we all join together arroud the table drinking beer and wine with ours wolfs by our side