The best joke of the Year....

michaelundinaeichhorn · 11-10-2009, 09:03

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Originally Posted by Pavel

Massimo, why Fausto dont contacting Czech or Slovakian Club directly ? Margo is not representant of clubs.

As far as I do understand the Czech forum where Margo seems to have this information from, it was you that started the string and you wrote that you got your informations from the FCI directly (please correct me if I did understand this wrong) so the easiest way would be if you tell everybody who gave you this information. Obviously the Slovakian Club is not involved in the origin of it and therefor not the right adress to ask. How far the Czech or Italian Club is involved and if there is anything to be involved in is quite difficult to know, at the moment you seem to be the only one that knows the truth.

Ina

Pavel · 11-10-2009, 19:56

Michael, as you read sure as well, that Karel Skoupý wrote, that Czech Club get this info just many months ago and Slovakian Club as well. My informations can be wrong, because it was private info only, but clubs just must have any official source. So that I asked, why Fausto speaks about it with Margo (Margo never said, that she heard it anywhere) and dont speak with official representants of CZ or SK Clubs ?

michaelundinaeichhorn · 12-10-2009, 08:40

Hello Pavel,

it was me not Michael who is in Sumava at the moment and the Google translater doesn´t work very well on this translation. That was the reason why I asked, almost nobody here is able to get through this without further informations like you gave now.

Ina

massimo · 12-10-2009, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Pavel

So that I asked, why Fausto speaks about it with Margo (Margo never said, that she heard it anywhere) and dont speak with official representants of CZ or SK Clubs ?

Fausto asked Margo because he doesn't read Czech language and the words written by Margo on this thread are not really "informative" but more "accusative"

"The Italian CzW Club (read: company made for breeding mixes, Mutaras and different kinds of something - sometimes also Wolfdogs) thinks about stealing the "garant of the breed" title ... Via ENCI the Italian Club is asking FCI to become the ruler of this breed"...."

"maybe it is better for you people from the Italian Club to think about creating your OWN breed called for example "Italo-Mutara Wolfdog"

and this based on info she received which was false.

If we consider that the Czech Club made no contact with Italian Club about this matter but simply wrote about it on internet...Why should Fausto contact anybody else than the person who made direct accusations (as I cited above) on a private site and in an understandable language?
However Fausto Contacted me offering to communicate with Czech club whenever they want and in order to clarify the false info circulating.

One thing I find ridiculous is that the Czech and Italian club don't communicate with each other but do it through me and Margo...

Rona · 12-10-2009, 10:16

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Originally Posted by massimo

One thing I find ridiculous is that the Czech and Italian club don't communicate with each other but do it through me and Margo...

Mayby they do, but... unofficially

You and Margo are the official channels

(just kidding

)

Pavel · 12-10-2009, 10:20

Massimo, I understand, that Fausto dont understand czech, but because communicate with our Clubs through Margo and you, he can contact there our Clubs and Margo will sure be ready to translate everything.
About the call of Italian Club here, please understand - Mutaras are breeding in Italy, through the stop from Czech Club. And its the fact. Dont be suprice, that in this situation many club members in CZ dont believe Italian club.

leila · 12-10-2009, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Pavel

Dont be suprice, that in this situation many club members in CZ dont believe Italian club.

and not only in CZ...

michaelundinaeichhorn · 12-10-2009, 10:42

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Originally Posted by massimo

and this based on info she received which was false.

Pleaase don´t get me wrong I don´t want to accuse anybody but I think there was already too much rumor going around, I think there may have been a question though not an official one and I think the Mutara people are very patient people and won´t give up for many further years. And I personally am very careful whom I believe in this, I remember Mutara very well and how many lies have been told by the people involved in breeding them. But this is my personal experience, opinion and thinking, I may be wrong.

But anyway it is more than unlikely that the garantee for the breed will change.

Ina

Hanka · 13-10-2009, 06:47

I have this info from "higher" places too. But if this person does not write here personally, I will not write this name here too. It is not right.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 13-10-2009, 07:37

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Originally Posted by Hanka

, I will not write this name here too. It is not right.

The important thing is who asked for the garantee, not the name of the source.

Pavel · 13-10-2009, 08:11

Only for info a quote from czech forum about this thema :

Monika wrote :
"Nic podobného tomu, co bylo řečeno se nikdy neřešilo ani na úrovni italského CCLC a v žádném případě na úrovni FCI!"

"Nothing similary like this, what is written italian CCLC never solved and in no case on FCI level"

massimo · 14-10-2009, 11:02

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

The important thing is who asked for the garantee, not the name of the source.

If the guarantee was never asked...it is important to know the source of such accusation.

massimo · 14-10-2009, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Hanka

I have this info from "higher" places too. But if this person does not write here personally, I will not write this name here too. It is not right.

I love the word "higher" places...
I suppose it's not sufficient for the president of Italian Club to state that Italian club never requested to have the guarantee of the breed... we can't trust his words of course.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 14-10-2009, 14:33

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7853

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Originally Posted by Pavel

Massimo, I understand, that Fausto dont understand czech, but because communicate with our Clubs through Margo and you, he can contact there our Clubs and Margo will sure be ready to translate everything.
About the call of Italian Club here, please understand - Mutaras are breeding in Italy, through the stop from Czech Club. And its the fact. Dont be suprice, that in this situation many club members in CZ dont believe Italian club.

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Originally Posted by leila

and not only in CZ...

You always seem to be hurt in your national pride, this has nothing to do with Italien breeders in general but with experiences that have been made with special breeders and people out of the Czech Republik and Italy. There are people and institutions that are no longer trustworthy for some other people out of those experiences, if you can understand this or not. And those people will have to live with the consequences of the things they did.

As I wrote before I for myself think out of those experiences that there is a high probability that there was a question asked though it may not have been an official request or the Italian Club who asked through it´s president. And though it is not really important because this question won´t get a positiv answer I am curious if there was a question and who may have asked it because in the past we did our best to help to prevent Mutaras to be crossed into the breed and still would do. And if I get informations of people I trust in and who give me this information secretly I too wouldn´t give them away.
But it seems also that both Clubs out of the country of origin did get this information some time ago.

Ina

11-10-2009, 19:56	#2
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Michael, as you read sure as well, that Karel Skoupý wrote, that Czech Club get this info just many months ago and Slovakian Club as well. My informations can be wrong, because it was private info only, but clubs just must have any official source. So that I asked, why Fausto speaks about it with Margo (Margo never said, that she heard it anywhere) and dont speak with official representants of CZ or SK Clubs ?

12-10-2009, 08:40	#3
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Hello Pavel, it was me not Michael who is in Sumava at the moment and the Google translater doesn´t work very well on this translation. That was the reason why I asked, almost nobody here is able to get through this without further informations like you gave now. Ina

12-10-2009, 10:20	#6
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Massimo, I understand, that Fausto dont understand czech, but because communicate with our Clubs through Margo and you, he can contact there our Clubs and Margo will sure be ready to translate everything. About the call of Italian Club here, please understand - Mutaras are breeding in Italy, through the stop from Czech Club. And its the fact. Dont be suprice, that in this situation many club members in CZ dont believe Italian club.

13-10-2009, 06:47	#9
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	I have this info from "higher" places too. But if this person does not write here personally, I will not write this name here too. It is not right.

13-10-2009, 08:11	#11
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Only for info a quote from czech forum about this thema : Monika wrote : "Nic podobného tomu, co bylo řečeno se nikdy neřešilo ani na úrovni italského CCLC a v žádném případě na úrovni FCI!" "Nothing similary like this, what is written italian CCLC never solved and in no case on FCI level"