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Linuz · 11-12-2009, 19:31

We are consumers of Wolfdog, we are owners, breeders, interested spectators, some frequent fields of job, other expo of beauty, regularly has recorded dogs near the ENCI, in elevated percentages with x-ray at flanks and elbows, have effected often the bonitazione... ideas are different at times but in general we are lovers of the race of the wolfdog cecoslovacco and of our dogs.
For us all Wolfdog has always been a jewel point of support, a source of knowledge thanks to his database created by the availability of thousand of people that they saw in the site created by Margo and Przemek a true help for the development of the race, free from the conditionings and from the influences of big breeders or "lobby ".
His strength is the great quantity of data presents, also and above all those that someone wanted to hold hidden, united to the existence of few equal rules for everybody, without favoritisms for this or that faction.
Recently there they have been some changes in the list reproducing that have aroused worry, it seems us in fact that there has been a discriminatory treatment towards the list reproducers Italian, in the specific one :

Voice of wolf z molu es, HD A - ED 0/1, have been excluded by the list without neither notices nor explanations, only thanks to a thread on the English forum the owner has known the motive:

“The dogs was removed because in the most cases the elbow problem were hidden by their owners and elbow problems start to spread among the breed. While before there were also none known cases of ED-dysplasia it is getting more and more problematic and every month I'm getting information about new ED-infected dogs.” (ADMIN)

But despite this declaration they have remained in list all the dogs that the plates to the elbows have not done or that have hidden the results. Besides the problem of the displasia of the elbow is complex and is not clear on what data he is making a statisticconsidering that actually to few years ago the elbows of the dogs were not examined, and is done only still today in few countries, (the 65% of the reproducing plate at elbows is in the Italian list to 09/09/2009)* If the site is really a resource for everybody we ask that is equal rules for the consumers of every country, if the rules were discussed before being applied it would be a democratic gesture and the scientific motivations it would make clearer that justify her.

* Have checked them one for one!(403 dogs)

Vedete se va bene come ho tradotto, in caso correggetemi inglese ormai lo uso solo nei videogiochi :P

Fede86 · 11-12-2009, 23:00

ad occhio mi pare ci siano un paio di cose da aggiustare, ora provo a dare una lettura e la riposto...

Fede86 · 11-12-2009, 23:38

Così come va? Qualcuno guardi un po' se ci sono altri errori...

Non ho corretto la citazione della risposta data dall’admin sul forum inglese, ma ci sarebbero un paio di errori anche lì…

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linuz

We are Wolfdog.org users; we are owners, breeders, interested spectators; some of us attend work camps, others use to go to expos; we have regularly ENCI registered dogs, a high percentage of whom have hip and elbow scores, and many of whom had their bonitace... opinions can be different, but in general we are all lovers of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog breed and we love our dogs.
For us all Wolfdog.org has always been a precious mean of support, a source of knowledge thanks to its database, created thanks to the helpfulness of thousands of people that saw in the site set up by Margo and Przemek a true aid in the development of the breed, free from the conditionings and from the influences of big breeders and "lobbies ".
Its strength is the great quantity of data it gathers, also and above all the ones that someone wanted to keep hidden, together with the existence of few equal rules for everybody, without favoritisms for this or that faction.
Recently there have been some changes in the stud dogs list that have aroused some worries, it seems in fact that there has been a discriminatory treatment towards the Italian breeding dogs, in particular one:

Voice of Wolf z Molu Es, HD A - ED 0/1, has been excluded from the list without neither notices nor explanations, and only thanks to a thread on the English forum the owner has learned the reason:

“The dogs was removed because in the most cases the elbow problem were hidden by their owners and elbow problems start to spread among the breed. While before there were also none known cases of ED-dysplasia it is getting more and more problematic and every month I'm getting information about new ED-infected dogs.” (ADMIN)

But despite this declaration, all the dogs whose elbows were not tested or those with hidden results stayed in the list. Besides, the problem of the elbow dysplasia is complex and it’s not clear on what data the statistic has been evaluated, considering that until a few years ago the dogs’ elbow were not examined, and even today it’s only done in a few countries, (the 65% of the stud dogs with elbow scores is in the Italian list to 09/09/2009)* If the site is really a resource for everybody we ask that it applies equal rules for the users of every country. It would be a democratic gesture to discuss the rules BEFORE they were applied, and it would also make the scientific motivations behind them clearer.

* I have checked all of them one by one!(403 dogs)

Sirius · 11-12-2009, 23:46

Almost perfect. Si può mandare.

Linuz · 12-12-2009, 00:31

Sisi ottimo ora

Fede86 · 13-12-2009, 13:35

hummm non sono sicura del termine bonitazione... "bonitace" o "bonitation"? mi pare di averli visti usare entrambi

Linuz · 13-12-2009, 18:03

Il termine io non lo trovo nel mio vocabolario di italiano e nemmeno in quello inglese, forse perchè hanno una certa età :P comunque credo che vada bene in entrambi i modi.

11-12-2009, 19:31	#1
Linuz & Kazan... Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Abruzzo, Chieti Posts: 59	We are consumers of Wolfdog, we are owners, breeders, interested spectators, some frequent fields of job, other expo of beauty, regularly has recorded dogs near the ENCI, in elevated percentages with x-ray at flanks and elbows, have effected often the bonitazione... ideas are different at times but in general we are lovers of the race of the wolfdog cecoslovacco and of our dogs. For us all Wolfdog has always been a jewel point of support, a source of knowledge thanks to his database created by the availability of thousand of people that they saw in the site created by Margo and Przemek a true help for the development of the race, free from the conditionings and from the influences of big breeders or "lobby ". His strength is the great quantity of data presents, also and above all those that someone wanted to hold hidden, united to the existence of few equal rules for everybody, without favoritisms for this or that faction. Recently there they have been some changes in the list reproducing that have aroused worry, it seems us in fact that there has been a discriminatory treatment towards the list reproducers Italian, in the specific one : Voice of wolf z molu es, HD A - ED 0/1, have been excluded by the list without neither notices nor explanations, only thanks to a thread on the English forum the owner has known the motive: “The dogs was removed because in the most cases the elbow problem were hidden by their owners and elbow problems start to spread among the breed. While before there were also none known cases of ED-dysplasia it is getting more and more problematic and every month I'm getting information about new ED-infected dogs.” (ADMIN) But despite this declaration they have remained in list all the dogs that the plates to the elbows have not done or that have hidden the results. Besides the problem of the displasia of the elbow is complex and is not clear on what data he is making a statisticconsidering that actually to few years ago the elbows of the dogs were not examined, and is done only still today in few countries, (the 65% of the reproducing plate at elbows is in the Italian list to 09/09/2009)* If the site is really a resource for everybody we ask that is equal rules for the consumers of every country, if the rules were discussed before being applied it would be a democratic gesture and the scientific motivations it would make clearer that justify her. * Have checked them one for one!(403 dogs) Vedete se va bene come ho tradotto, in caso correggetemi inglese ormai lo uso solo nei videogiochi :P

11-12-2009, 23:00	#2
Fede86 Entità cinofila da web... Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,110	ad occhio mi pare ci siano un paio di cose da aggiustare, ora provo a dare una lettura e la riposto...

11-12-2009, 23:46	#4
Sirius Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,863	Almost perfect. Si può mandare.

12-12-2009, 00:31	#5
Linuz & Kazan... Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Abruzzo, Chieti Posts: 59	Sisi ottimo ora

13-12-2009, 13:35	#6
Fede86 Entità cinofila da web... Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,110	hummm non sono sicura del termine bonitazione... "bonitace" o "bonitation"? mi pare di averli visti usare entrambi

13-12-2009, 18:03	#7
Linuz & Kazan... Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Abruzzo, Chieti Posts: 59	Il termine io non lo trovo nel mio vocabolario di italiano e nemmeno in quello inglese, forse perchè hanno una certa età :P comunque credo che vada bene in entrambi i modi.