Norwegian ban on SW and CzW

XaedasKSP · 21-12-2009, 22:18

Why what do you wish me banned for now Per Olav? Answering your posts in a polite manner where I answered politically only where you first touched the politics?

Or maybe for answering Mikael in the most polite manner possible after he did all he could to try to provoke me to say something that would be not polite on a debate forum. I havent said a single abusive word. And where I answered politically it was because it was asked for. You cant ask about politics and then shout "ban him cause he answers with politics".....if I shall get banned then the other users asking me things that are politically connected should to get banned for politics on the forum.

But I totally dont understand why politics are forbidden in a topic about the law, but I dont argue with that I just wish that there shall be some justice, if someone provokes me and asks about political things then I must be allowed to answer with politics or else the person who writes about politics in a post adressed to me should too be banned.

But I hope that the moderator shall read all the posts including those that Mikael wrote to me before I answered him, and that the moderator will understand that I have just answered politely to his posts....and that there is no reason to ban me.

As for the case of the dog....if people say like Rona did in this topic that I am not suitable to have a SW because of my politic beliefs, then I dont know how I can answer to such posts without touching the politics.

My politic beliefs are not a reason to say that I will not be a good enough owner of a SW, and no objective person will say that someone will not be a good owner of a dog because of his political beliefs. The best proof of this is that people on the polish forum actually were helpfull with giving me info about how to find SW breeders and actually I also got congratulated upon the fact of finding a SW pup that I can buy.

Saarlooses are 100 % legal in Norway, there is even a norwegian breeder of them and there are many people in Norway waiting to get a pup from the litters planned in Norway and others who rather import their pup like me and this is also 100 % legal. So I dont understand what is the problem of the people that criticise me......

Per Olav · 21-12-2009, 22:54

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

So I dont understand what is the problem of the people that criticise me......

If you don't understand why, there's in my opinnion no way of explaining it in a way that is understandble to you.

As a novice to this forum it certainly is better ways than yours when addressing people who is unknown to you. As a possible owner of a wolfdog this forum is a absolute must for anyone interrested in discussing different topics related to wolfdogs and their behaviour. Bullying people is not the way of doing this.

Btw I did not want you banned, just making an end of posting your unwanted political views on this forum.
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XaedasKSP · 21-12-2009, 23:14

Well I have already said that I have ended posting political views here, but when people are posting posts here adressed to me with political content then as I have said I dont know how to respond to them without touching the politics. So I hope no one bans me for answering people....

If someone tell me that they think the reason of my unsuitableness for having a SW is my political views like Rona did:

Quote:
"I already pity his dog (if he mangages to get one

). What, if the poor animal will not be able to express support for his owners' political views, or, even worse, will not share them?!

"

Then how do you think this can be answered without talking about politics?

Well I dont think that I have "bullyed" anyone (If having a different point of view is "bullying" then maybe I have but I didnt know it was "bullying") but if anyone feel "bullyed" then I am very sorry for that.

I do always try to respond in a polite manner, even when people try to provoke me like Mikael did (if you read his posts then you will probably see that I havent been more unpolite to him than he have been to me, maybe even less). And the reason I am on this forum is exactly to get more information about the wolfdogs, since there is no separate SW forum so a wolfdogforum should be most suitable forum then for owners of Saarlooses.

As for the best of the breed well then I think its positive that Saarlooses are more and more common in Norway and that even someone decided to breed them in Norway. If people and the government see that Saarlooses are nice and friendly dogs then I think it can only be positive for the CSVs and for the case of lifting the ban....and as I said if you need any petition signed or some other help in political pressure on the government to lift the ban I will gladly help......

Angelika · 22-12-2009, 15:34

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Saarlooses are 100 % legal in Norway

??????????

According to the official site of Norway it´s forbidden to own, breed and import dangerous dogs. Dogs, who arose from a crossing between dog and wolf, are considered as dangerous - without regard to the particular part of wolf.

Thereafter Saarloos wolfhonds are not really safe in Norway.

Per Olav · 22-12-2009, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Angelika

??????????

According to the official site of Norway it´s forbidden to own, breed and import dangerous dogs. Dogs, who arose from a crossing between dog and wolf, are considered as dangerous - without regard to the particular part of wolf.

Thereafter Saarloos wolfhonds are not really safe in Norway.

SW is legal but surely not safe. That's why I'm worried. New inexperienced owners not knowing what they are facing may be extremely harmful in the efforts of changing the law. A new breeder selling pups to fanciers of the sw wolfy look and behavior may be more harmful than anything else. I really do hope the breeder is aware of that. For time beeing my mood is down thinking of the uncertain future of the sw i Norway.

Rona · 22-12-2009, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Per Olav

For time beeing my mood is down thinking of the uncertain future of the sw i Norway.

Per Olav, here is a litttle Christmas gift to cheer you up, with a special dedication for Norwegian Authorities.

New (and non-political

) version of the Little Red Riding Hood image

Per Olav · 22-12-2009, 16:19

She's just smashing beautiful, isn't she

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Rona · 22-12-2009, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Per Olav

She's just smashing beautiful, isn't she

... rather a real darling as the vast majority of our CSVs are!

Angelika · 22-12-2009, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Rona

What a glamorous girl!!!

How can someone ban this beauty?? (not politically meant

)

XaedasKSP · 23-12-2009, 00:15

Its not meant to be unpolite but I have just something especially for Mikael since he likes me so much as he writes under his posts

Here is the response from the breeder that I got after you sent her your mail:

Quote:

"
Hi,

a heavy discussion on wolfdog.org

you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed. You go the correct way to take a dogbreed who is legal in you country. Wish everybody a merry christmas and say god by to them.

We also have a SWH forum I can ask if it is possible to make a english section. Than you can comunikate with swh owners if you are interested.
When all is going right you can pik up your puppy on 30.01. Because I can't guarantee it now there can be an accident or illnes or death or somthing I never wish to have. You don't have to pay now only when you whish it to fix our agreement. When you want it then I send you my datas.
I must ask you again, the paper for the mattilsynet, do you need it with post or with email?

have a nice day and don't fight on wolfdog.org

)))) it's lost time!

Alex"

End of quote.

I hope Mikael that you are happy now, cause I am

And yes I do already know how much you like me

I hope that all other users wont find my reply as unpolite or "bullying" I am just replying to Mikael in the same way that he was talking to me so it shouldnt be anything bad I hope.

And as advised I wish you all once again a merry christmas and a happy new year!

(And I hope you wont ban me so I can maybe some time write something on the forum about the dog etc. (until a SWH forum becomes created) with the users that are friendly with me here.)

Per Olav · 23-12-2009, 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed.

This is not correct. SW and CSV never was competing breeds and both breeds may be held by same owners because their unlikeness by behaviour and usability.

I deeply regret Alex's attitude and answer. In my opinnion this mean no good for the future of the Saarloos in Norway.
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21-12-2009, 23:14	#3
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Well I have already said that I have ended posting political views here, but when people are posting posts here adressed to me with political content then as I have said I dont know how to respond to them without touching the politics. So I hope no one bans me for answering people.... If someone tell me that they think the reason of my unsuitableness for having a SW is my political views like Rona did: Quote: "I already pity his dog (if he mangages to get one). What, if the poor animal will not be able to express support for his owners' political views, or, even worse, will not share them?! " Then how do you think this can be answered without talking about politics? Well I dont think that I have "bullyed" anyone (If having a different point of view is "bullying" then maybe I have but I didnt know it was "bullying") but if anyone feel "bullyed" then I am very sorry for that. I do always try to respond in a polite manner, even when people try to provoke me like Mikael did (if you read his posts then you will probably see that I havent been more unpolite to him than he have been to me, maybe even less). And the reason I am on this forum is exactly to get more information about the wolfdogs, since there is no separate SW forum so a wolfdogforum should be most suitable forum then for owners of Saarlooses. As for the best of the breed well then I think its positive that Saarlooses are more and more common in Norway and that even someone decided to breed them in Norway. If people and the government see that Saarlooses are nice and friendly dogs then I think it can only be positive for the CSVs and for the case of lifting the ban....and as I said if you need any petition signed or some other help in political pressure on the government to lift the ban I will gladly help......

22-12-2009, 16:19	#7
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	She's just smashing beautiful, isn't she -- po __________________ Per Olav

21-12-2009, 22:18	#1
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Why what do you wish me banned for now Per Olav? Answering your posts in a polite manner where I answered politically only where you first touched the politics? Or maybe for answering Mikael in the most polite manner possible after he did all he could to try to provoke me to say something that would be not polite on a debate forum. I havent said a single abusive word. And where I answered politically it was because it was asked for. You cant ask about politics and then shout "ban him cause he answers with politics".....if I shall get banned then the other users asking me things that are politically connected should to get banned for politics on the forum. But I totally dont understand why politics are forbidden in a topic about the law, but I dont argue with that I just wish that there shall be some justice, if someone provokes me and asks about political things then I must be allowed to answer with politics or else the person who writes about politics in a post adressed to me should too be banned. But I hope that the moderator shall read all the posts including those that Mikael wrote to me before I answered him, and that the moderator will understand that I have just answered politely to his posts....and that there is no reason to ban me. As for the case of the dog....if people say like Rona did in this topic that I am not suitable to have a SW because of my politic beliefs, then I dont know how I can answer to such posts without touching the politics. My politic beliefs are not a reason to say that I will not be a good enough owner of a SW, and no objective person will say that someone will not be a good owner of a dog because of his political beliefs. The best proof of this is that people on the polish forum actually were helpfull with giving me info about how to find SW breeders and actually I also got congratulated upon the fact of finding a SW pup that I can buy. Saarlooses are 100 % legal in Norway, there is even a norwegian breeder of them and there are many people in Norway waiting to get a pup from the litters planned in Norway and others who rather import their pup like me and this is also 100 % legal. So I dont understand what is the problem of the people that criticise me......

23-12-2009, 00:15	#10
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Its not meant to be unpolite but I have just something especially for Mikael since he likes me so much as he writes under his posts Here is the response from the breeder that I got after you sent her your mail: Quote: " Hi, a heavy discussion on wolfdog.org you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed. You go the correct way to take a dogbreed who is legal in you country. Wish everybody a merry christmas and say god by to them. We also have a SWH forum I can ask if it is possible to make a english section. Than you can comunikate with swh owners if you are interested. When all is going right you can pik up your puppy on 30.01. Because I can't guarantee it now there can be an accident or illnes or death or somthing I never wish to have. You don't have to pay now only when you whish it to fix our agreement. When you want it then I send you my datas. I must ask you again, the paper for the mattilsynet, do you need it with post or with email? have a nice day and don't fight on wolfdog.org )))) it's lost time! Alex" End of quote. I hope Mikael that you are happy now, cause I am And yes I do already know how much you like me I hope that all other users wont find my reply as unpolite or "bullying" I am just replying to Mikael in the same way that he was talking to me so it shouldnt be anything bad I hope. And as advised I wish you all once again a merry christmas and a happy new year! (And I hope you wont ban me so I can maybe some time write something on the forum about the dog etc. (until a SWH forum becomes created) with the users that are friendly with me here.)