Lupus Ibericus Kennel (Spain)

[carlos2207]

NO no no. The problem of this post is other. Julito not payment and when I reclam this payment Julito threatened to use every means to destroy my kennel If I reclam the payment or the dog. As you can see in the false argumentation of this professional circus humor.

When I speak with my lawyer, and if he let me, I put in my web page all mails en which Julito threatens to do what he has done. Sistematically use of lie for destroy in this foro and in other foros. He threatened me with destroy my kennel in the world of wolfdog, breders.... and any one would to speak with me.

I not speak the conditions of live of my dogs in my kennel. I wait the owner of Zeus write about this. But I speak about the ill of Zacarias. Julito work in the photo and use the set design for to do truely at his lies. You can see one building of set design uses a stethoscope. My veterinary say me that this photos are false. One puppy is imposible that have the canula only secured with two strips of esparatrapo. One puppy of wolfdog inmediately remove the canula. You know how are the pupies. When one puppy is in the hospital we need to used one very strong and big band for secure the canula and tubs. And in some hours all puppies removed the canula and cut de tubs. One puppy not can live in one hospital or live or is dead.in days. One adult dog can live more time.

What is the illness of Zacarias??

Anyone know It.

I finish ask to the moderadors of this foro. One person that do it he can continue use this foro????

[Nebulosa]

Commonly co-ownership dogs are sold for cost price, half price or even are donated, the owner of the dog would make the HD and ED exams, will pass some dogshows or even working trials depending of the breed, and the breeder that is his co-owner will use frelly the stud in his females.

Originally Posted by Carlos

Julito not payment and when I reclam this payment Julito threatened to use every means to destroy my kennel

I listened that he paid half as its in the contract of co-ownership, so if was that I dont understand where is the problem? Why did you wanted him to pay the other part?

Originally Posted by Carlos

My veterinary say me that this photos are false.

Sorry, your vet cannot say that, to tell you the truth if he did it he broke some etic rules wich I really believe that exist also in Spain.

Originally Posted by Carlos

One puppy is imposible that have the canula only secured with two strips of esparatrapo.

Its possible even with one depending of the dog conditions and also of who is with the dog, and i'm talking also about pups of the most energetic breeds.
In vet hospital you can meet puppies wich pass months in treatment and survive, also you can meet puppies wich are not strong enough to move their heads for drink water, if the pup dont eat properly and have diarrhea, his faint will be really quickly.

But about the photos, Erwan would really e rich is he be able to make such perfect fake photos, with such shadows, reflect and perfect usage marks of the equipments without let marks of the cuts in the photos even when we search for it in photoshop.
I also dont think a vet would let someone use the clinic only for make fell photos for "blame" a breeder, again we will enter in etic talk.

Originally Posted by Carlos

One person that do it he can continue use this foro????

You're saing that he did it, that he make fake photos, that he is only here for blame your kennel because he didn't want to pay the dog.

He is saying that you want take back a ill dog, that he payed what is in the contract ( half price?) and you want him to pay full (??)
At least was that I could understand of it all.

Its your words agains his words... I really cannot judge as I dont know the truth.

For me, its look like more a small mistake which turns huge, like a snow ball.

[Silvester]

Ok - now i have some more time for writing .

I agree completely with what Alberto Cepedano did write above before. Senor Carlos Antonio i have got to know as a very hospitably, friendly and cultivated man with a lot of interest and knowledge about wolfdogs.

We had long correspondence via internet some months before , from end of August 2009 until my visit to him.

He waited for me and took me from the airport Alicante early in the morning , drove me in his private car more than 100 km to his place and he had already reserved a good and not expensive hotel in his home- town.
Beside this he two times invited me for restaurant and one time to his private home . His mother made delicious supper for me and at last after three days he also did drive me back again the same long direction to the airport of Alicante . He did not ask me me for paying all this service.

And all this he did without i had asked for it !

But the best came at last: He said that he does NOT want any money from me at all when i wanted to pay the price for my fine new dog - just he said that i can do it via bank- transfer when i will be back at my home place again ! I really was feeling ashamed by his confidence and his care -taking during my whole time at his place.

If I would be like Julio Tudelo alias "Erwan Grey" i may be would have not payed any money to him, he gave me the opportunity to do this without any problem ! But I´m not Julio and so of course i payed him at once when i was back home.

So far to the obviously really good and honourable character of Senor Carlos Antonio.
I can tell only the absolutely best about him. He treated me like a true friend.

Ok, now i want to speak about my dog " Zeus". I was with him to my veterianary here in Germany only 5 days after i have got him from Senor Antonio because of another vaccination was needed and the vet. made an all round- check of health of "Zeus". He also made a test on parvovirosis, wheather he has or even has had this desease before. The test was negative.
He told me that he is completely healthy and in good condition. He especially said that the vaccinations Senor Antonio had let made by his veterinarian before were correct and made with good and expensive medical material.

Up to now everything is running very good with my new little friend "Zeus" is fit and playing and growing and all is ok with him.

I want to say also that he is very good socialized, he is not shy and has no fear and is friendly to all people.

Now i speak about what i saw in Carlos` kennel:

1. The kennel is quite big , may be about 20 x 40 m , surrounded by a normal metal fence . It is situated inside a very widespread area of citrus and mandarine- plantation which is itsself surrounded by another, second fence.

The electrical wires are only in the inner, smaller fence. To the time of my visite, the electric currency all time was switched OFF ! And i have seen by the behaviour of the two adult dogs and especially the puppies too, that it must be off for long time before, because none of the dogs had any fear of the fence or kept distance.
All dogs had normal behaviour, not shy , also not aggressive and they were in good condition. Carlos all time when we were coming to the place of kennel , he opended the door of inner fence to let all dogs out and they were playing with us and each other after they had made greeting to me and Carlos.

So everything was very normal and ok. There was also no dirt around .

2. It´s simply not true that the dogs don´t get enough water or the water is not changed. If someone is telling this, it´s for my opinion very likely that he´s telling more lies in other cases.

At last i want to make public here, that "Erwan Grey" alias Julio Tudelo is a professional photographer and everyone knows - or should know - that today even for an amateur it is very simple to make manipulation or falsification on any photo, especially on the computer. So photos does not proof anything !

If Carlos Antonio tells that there are false photos made public here, i have no doubt that he is telling the truth.

For me it seems that this thread has got the wrong name. It should not be named " Big problems with kennel Lupus Ibericus " but better : "Big problems with people who are not decently, telling lies and have no behaviour."

I wish everyone a nice weekend. May be i wíll write more to this thema in the next days, if i think it´s needed.

Bye- bye from Germany

[Erwan Grey]

Thank you very much (NEBULOSA) for your words.

finally!, someone speaks with coherence in this case.

I am not going to continue speaking as already I said in the previous post. Since it is possible to verify, this breeder speaks that I lie, and that also lie the veterinarians, who lie the photographies, lie the works of my veterinarians ... only what touches is the good thing...

I do not try to destroy anybody, only I tell publicly the VIOLATION of this gentleman after I DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE MOTIVE says that I have stolen him.

That is what this gentleman wants? I have expired AT ALL TIME WITH EVERYTHING.

That happens to him?

They have just sent a private message from the nick "KAIKU" saying that I paid 100 Euros to Carlos. Now have I paid 100 Euros to him?

did not say who had stolen? now and it's not that I've paid 100 euros?

money, money, money ... only think of money ... But if I have not asked to pay any costs of dog veterinary PAY ME WHAT I AM ALL.

really wants this person? DO NOT UNDERSTAND!

He knew that people are talking about here are why he's asked and this is how people use and what he wants now is to not let me speak here not out of this.

It would be easier if you let calm the dog and me. I do not want problems, just want my dog is well and stop lying and speak ill of me. Only this.

thanks and sorry for all this mess, but I really am distressed by the persecution of this man to me and Blizzard (Zacarias)

[Silvester]

Here´s owner of "Zeus L.P." again.

In addition to my posting from today in the morning ( Posting No. 18 , please everyone read !) , I want to say that Carlos Antonio had asked me after my return also for behaviour and health of "Zeus" and wanted to see pictures from him in my house. So he took care also after selling the dog to me. We will keep in touch in the future of course also. He told me that he´s very interested in watching how "Zeus" will grow and develop.

A bad breeder would never do this.

Nice evening to all.

Bye - bye.

[Jose Mª]

If he saw that it was quite so bad and the same day of gathering the pup was already sick. because I take it to him?
I know the illusion of Carlos to start kennel, make him calm.
This forum was begun by you, with whom end. Other owners are satisfied. Finalize already.

[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by Jose Mª

If he saw that it was quite so bad and the same day of gathering the pup was already sick. because I take it to him?
I know the illusion of Carlos to start kennel, make him calm.
This forum was begun by you, with whom end. Other owners are satisfied. Finalize already.

because I had 10 years looking for a PLC (and here you can see from other posts) and wanted a child of the father of Emba; "Eligo".

Because I think almost every week visiting the farm where the cubs were born? (you can see that there are signed pictures from birth my almost ... not trusting the experience of Carlos.

Someone can tell me that Carlos has experience with dogs? if before you have had these 2 PLC dog and lived with dogs?

Because I if I may say

NEVER HAVE HAD DOGS (and this, as everything I've said so far, so I can prove)

How can a person who has never have dogs, made breed dogs?


I do not understand some things people are writing in this post defending Mr. Carlos;

1 .- Are newcomers and newly registered to the forum.

2 .- Many blindly believe in his words without any evidence other than his word. And do not know me or know of Zacarias after purchase.

3.- Because so eager to close the post? instead of solving this like civilized people?

And call me a liar to me (me and my photos, my veterinary clinic where it goes to Blizzard in Valencia ...)

And Mr "Silvester" say that by being a professional photographer does not "fake" do not touch any photos for my honor and my photographer name, and I think it is very dangerous to say that because he says Mr. Carlos is "truth" that are retouched or modified. Beware of slander and libel without proof.

We teach the invoices and veterinary history of Blizzard (Zacarias) but as you also say is false, better keep and show you where to be and when due, like many other things I can prove.

[carlos2207]

MORE SISTEMATICALLY LIES FOR DESTROY MY NAME:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Valencia-Spain/Blizzard-The-wolf/184956429984

THIS IS THE TRUELY JULIO AND HIS INTENTIONS

[Rona]

I'm neither a vet, nor a photoshop expert, but the scars on the puppy remind me of similar ones which out late Tina had when she was a puppy, i.e. in 1993. They looked very badly, but turned out to be just symptoms of allergy. It took us quite a while to recognize the allergen, but when we changed her food, after a couple of weeks or months (I don't remember now) the scars disappeared.

It's quite common that pups' adaptation to new home germs/food/fabrics/ cleaning chemicals etc. takes some time and they have various symptoms - like diarhhea, scars, scratching, etc. Still, one can hardly blame the breeder for this...

Erwan have you tried changing the home cleaning detergents to very mild ones (e.g. liquid for intimate hygene), washing the pup's blankets in washing powder for babies, eliminating chicken and diary products from her diet, giving the pup calcium, etc.?

Sometimes common sense and simple solutions work best. Good luck!

And one more thing: happy, healthy puppy is exetremely messy and this is just a symptom of natural learning process!

[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by Rona

I'm neither a vet, nor a photoshop expert, but the scars on the puppy remind me of similar ones which out late Tina had when she was a puppy, i.e. in 1993. They looked very badly, but turned out to be just symptoms of allergy. It took us quite a while to recognize the allergen, but when we changed her food, after a couple of weeks or months (I don't remember now) the scars disappeared.

It's quite common that pups' adaptation to new home germs/food/fabrics/ cleaning chemicals etc. takes some time and they have various symptoms - like diarhhea, scars, scratching, etc. Still, one can hardly blame the breeder for this...

Erwan have you tried changing the home cleaning detergents to very mild ones (e.g. liquid for intimate hygene), washing the pup's blankets in washing powder for babies, eliminating chicken and diary products from her diet, giving the pup calcium, etc.?

Sometimes common sense and simple solutions work best. Good luck!

And one more thing: happy, healthy puppy is exetremely messy and this is just a symptom of natural learning process!

Rona thanks for your words.

The wound is not as you say, is a fungus (dermatophyte) which was developed by the defenses have very very low and their immune systems could not solve (today still struggling to heal) this type of ailments take time and if a dog is over still more feeble.

About what it says cleaning products, the dog is treated with specific shampoos and washes with symptomatic treatment and skin and then all the processing to be for their intestinal disorders and other ailments.

Thank you very much

[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by carlos2207

NO no no. The problem of this post is other. Julito not payment and when I reclam this payment Julito threatened to use every means to destroy my kennel If I reclam the payment or the dog. As you can see in the false argumentation of this professional circus humor.

one last thing:

If for you, the life of Zacarias is a matter of "professional circus humor." For me it is not, and with that and with their arguments and denials of the evidence that I sent you and says much of the evidence is that all this aporetic . The only thing they do is talk and talk and discredit me and veterinarians worldwide.

Nobody asks for in his public website no pictures of the instalations?

http://www.lupusibericus.com/index-es.htm

(as a public web page I put it here also to be understood that what I say)

No one questions because their dogs NEVER compete in beauty? (only few Times in Puppy class)

No one asks because he has no family or people or another places photos with their dogs? (the few ones are those that I did as I asked him please do so because it was very sad to have to dogs isolated in the world)

When he thinks something is because of what I speak, and to be a breeder should not have two dogs, but many more things as ethics, morality, love of dogs and especially knowledge and experience.

You can not buy 2 dogs and the fact that you like bragging autocalled BREEDER. It takes many years of experience and expertise on all race and breeding.

That's my opinion, though each do what he wants as long as you do it with RESPONSIBILITY.

[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by carlos2207

My veterinary say me that this photos are false. One puppy is imposible that have the canula only secured with two strips of esparatrapo. One puppy of wolfdog inmediately remove the canula. You know how are the pupies. When one puppy is in the hospital we need to used one very strong and big band for secure the canula and tubs. And in some hours all puppies removed the canula and cut de tubs. One puppy not can live in one hospital or live or is dead.in days. One adult dog can live more time.

I have just had a telephone conversation with D. Angel Roa Aljama, this person is the veterinarian Carlos Martinez puppies and which, as Carlos said that the photos were fake as you can read above.

Well, this gentleman DENIES having said this, and Carlos can not understand how to have said that publicly.

Who is lying here? me or Carlos?

Who is trying to distort information and mainly involve third parties who are not guilty of anything?

[jasmine]

Erwan,

We couldn't see where is the truth.And as we are not there , everybody could write what they want.
I'm sorry to say but would be more intelligent to arange your "business" inbetween each other and not in an open forum.

Problems could happened in every kennel.....the biggest problem that you are unable to handle this thing.

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[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by jasmine

Erwan,

We couldn't see where is the truth.And as we are not there , everybody could write what they want.
I'm sorry to say but would be more intelligent to arange your "business" inbetween each other and not in an open forum.

Problems could happened in every kennel.....the biggest problem that you are unable to handle this thing.

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I understand what you say, but I tried repeatedly to speak with them privately and all we hear in his voice were threats and insults against me.

I hope you understand that the only way of trying to make this person understand that what is not right this way, the following is the legal way and frankly I do not want to hurt anyone more than what is already being hurt unintentionally, but it's something he wants to happen because they have the last word in this case.

I just want to leave me alone to me and the dog and hand over documents pertaining to the dog.

It was never my intention to do so, in fact, for private I asked him to solve or that I would have to go public and did nothing, so I have not done anything so treacherous.

Would you do if suddenly appears the owner of your dog saying you're a thief you've stolen their dogs?

What would you do if the microchip is in your name and address and refuses to give documents and also threatens you removing your dog?

What would you do?

Anyone can contact your veterinarian and ask about this matter. This clinic has a web site published and may be placed in contact with by email or Tlef. I like him, wants it known the truth of this.

His clinic is called:

"Centro Veterinario Alhama"

And in any search engine can find your website.