Champions, world champions, super champions

[Silvester]

Originalmente publicado por Nebulosa

Its a very common ill well know in dog breeding, called "kennel blind", I few sorry for you.
Maybe you should look at the pedigree of your own dog before talk about facts.

Again only polemic and no facts at all - i could expect it from such "moderator"

But i can understand you , "Nebulosa" :

Originalmente publicado por Silvester

Yes, it´s very difficult to find something negative in the pedigree of the first litter of the actuell World Champion and were all 4 grandparents have an "P1" in bonitation -code for "excellent"....beside other advantages like hip-results ( i already told ) , colour of eyes, quality of hair and coat , small ears and correct short tail, and, and ,and....

Tell FACTS , if you want to make critics - and the same for you "wolfin".

It seems very strongly to me , that you both only feel envy for your own dogs are not World Champions , or from litter of such Champion.

Bye- bye

[Rona]

Originalmente publicado por Silvester

... and the same for you "wolfin"..... It seems very strongly to me , that you both only feel envy for your own dogs are not World Champions , or from litter of such Champion.

Harmonia Eden Severu IS a World Champion!!!

[Erwan Grey]

Originalmente publicado por Rona

Harmonia Eden Severu IS a World Champion!!!

Rona, the only thing they are trying is to mistake the true intentions of this post. Do you not understand?

[wolfin]

Originalmente publicado por Silvester

Tell FACTS , if you want to make critics - and the same for you "wolfin".

It seems very strongly to me , that you both only feel envy for your own dogs are not World Champions , or from litter of such Champion.

Bye- bye

you joke not CH make interesing litters or interesing blood, only genetic. You are like and others ( not all, thanks God) blidnes and see only this CH.
I not envy for this litter or this WW who have father. He is nice dog, not exelent like and alls wolfdogs, but nice. If I wish have this same pedigree I can mate with this same male, but I wan't this. Why? I think this understand only good breeder not people who have first dog in his live or breeder who make one litter with this breeding plan " mas be ch, ch, ch and mas be nice ch".
Rona, not only WW champion but and BALT CH, PL-CZ-LT-LV-EE, club Ch, but this is nothing only titels

[Rona]

Originalmente publicado por wolfin

Rona, not only WW champion but and BALT CH, PL-CZ-LT-LV-EE, club Ch, but this is nothing only titels

I know and you know well what I think of show titles . I just found it really humorous, that he was blaming you for envy of WW title

[wolfin]

Originalmente publicado por Rona

I know and you know well what I think of show titles . I just found it really humorous, that he was blaming you for envy of WW title

aha and I

[Erwan Grey]

Originalmente publicado por CDaniela

My Mio did´t have any major titles at the time of covering. They came later ..
I'm very sad of your words. He is for me the best dog in the world, because he is my Amore Mio.

I think you misunderstood me ...

I try to explain that in a pedigree has many champions there is no guarantee that champions go, there are more possibilities, but there is no guarantee.

Sometimes two mediocre pieces comes a genetic mutation or a hybrid specimen (by genetic mutation) and is an excellent example.

At times a mixture of blood and chromosomes and gives the perfect mix of mediocre duplicate born a perfect copy.

Do not believe?

This is de mother nature and de Evolution Theory...

the breeding of a champion not only depends on the titles of his predecessors, but it also depends on items such as embryonic cell lineages, the quality of cell division, chromosomes, and in turn this depends on the laws of simple inheritance , of the genes and alleles, complete or incomplete dominance, the possibility of multiple alleles, gene mimics, and therefore there must be borne in mind that this may cause masking of characters in other generations later come to light ...

[Silvester]

Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code

A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3

F2 = long ears

K1 = too long tail

Oc =irritable - uncourages

and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio!

Greetings from Germany

[CDaniela]

Originalmente publicado por Erwan Grey

I think you misunderstood me ...

I try to explain that in a pedigree has many champions there is no guarantee that champions go, there are more possibilities, but there is no guarantee.

Sometimes two mediocre pieces comes a genetic mutation or a hybrid specimen (by genetic mutation) and is an excellent example.

At times a mixture of blood and chromosomes and gives the perfect mix of mediocre duplicate born a perfect copy.

Do not believe?

This is de mother nature and de Evolution Theory...

I very well understand. I write for Nebulosa and wolfin.

[jasmine]

Hey ! It is high time to finish this "nice" topic !
Uli, Daniela.....don't come down theire level of communication...............no worth...
A lot of people use the forum just dropping shits and hurt many of us.
Our results must be enough evidences that we do our hobby in the right way!


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[Erwan Grey]

Originalmente publicado por jasmine

Hey ! It is high time to finish this "nice" topic !
Uli, Daniela.....don't come down theire level of communication...............no worth...
A lot of people use the forum just dropping shits and hurt many of us.
Our results must be enough evidences that we do our hobby in the right way!


Edit

That is a very good comments Edit

As they say in Spain ... "learning by walking"

Each display their results and that alone is what counts. The words, insults, threats and comments absolutely no good at all.

Facts are what count at the world championships and breeding.

Why is it that most of the time, who talk the least results have???

but please, the discussion is completed on the breeding, NO DISCUSSION ON IRREGULARITIES OF THIS "Breeder"; "Lupus Ibericus" because they are known to be good for everybody PLC

[Erwan Grey]

There is a phrase that I said a well known breeder of Wire Fox Terrier Spain and my friend Alberto Velasco from affix FCI "CHELINES"

"A breeder of champions can not be gauged by its current champion, but by the number of champions who owns his kennel in time"

great phrase.

[Vaiva]

Hmm, am I wrong or it really seems from some posts that being a champion for a dog is something bad? Breeders should breed for health, great character and YES, beauty. Because the dog that fits the standart most is the most beautiful, isn't it?

[wolfin]

Worl Winner 2006 is Harmonia Eden severu and Issar Kollarov dvor ( both have SLOVAK bonitation)
World Winner 2009 is Amore Mio Srdervac and Wickey Crying wolf (both have czech bonitation)
and ...
both dog have this tittel and You not change this.
about P3. Why dog with 53 % legs have P1, when mas be 55%? this is very strange like and others P1 who have dogs in CZ. but this is old problem, and about this speak in others thema.
BUT PEOPLE we speak about puppy healt not about Ch or others? Why not speak about this and not think who mas make for better live this puppy?

[Rona]

Originalmente publicado por Silvester

Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code

A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3

F2 = long ears

K1 = too long tail

Oc =irritable - uncourages

and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio!

Greetings from Germany

Silvester, I don't want to take sides in this conflict, I don't understand what's going on here and where the problem is, but your posts are really funny!!!

Are you aware that your friend Carlos, selected Harmonia, the 'ugly' female WW 2006 with too long ears, too long tail, uncourages and irritable to be the mother of the male he bought from Daiva?
I don't know the dog, but I know the parents and belive me, they are great! Both Cheitan and Harmonia have something, that for me (a non-breeder) is most important in a dog: fantastic characters and working drive. Plus this 'something', sometimes called "charisma", of which you can say nothing if you haven't seen them interacting with humans and other dogs...

Please, think before you write your next post, unless you want to give us more entertainment... and further ridicule Carlos' kennel He does not deserve allies like you.

[wolfin]

Rona, thanks
Jasmine, Daniela, and others, ALL dogs is nice, and the best for his owner. And IDEAL dog not exist, all have faults.
and in breeding moore imporant is not Ch titles but others things, or would You think otherwise?

[Silvester]

Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code

A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3

F2 = long ears

K1 = too long tail

Oc =irritable - uncourages

and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio!

Greetings from Germany

[wolfin]

Originalmente publicado por Silvester

Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code

A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3

F2 = long ears

K1 = too long tail

Oc =irritable - uncourages

and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio!

Greetings from Germany

yes this is same pedigree like have my Harmonia- Reolup blood, this same dogs with HD C are and in "Z" L. I. pedigree. But You I think know this too.

[Erwan Grey]

Originalmente publicado por wolfin

Rona, thanks
Jasmine, Daniela, and others, ALL dogs is nice, and the best for his owner. And IDEAL dog not exist, all have faults.
and in breeding moore imporant is not Ch titles but others things, or would You think otherwise?

applause. This is the best direcction of a good breeder in my opinion

[Erwan Grey]

Originalmente publicado por Rona

I don't know the dog, but I know the parents and belive me, they are great! Both Cheitan and Harmonia have something, that for me (a non-breeder) is most important in a dog: fantastic characters and working drive. Plus this 'something', sometimes called "charisma", of which you can say nothing if you haven't seen them interacting with humans and other dogs...

YESSSS!!!!! is this items very very "important"

People know that some behavioral characters are transmitted genetically? because that is also very important.

A dog can be beautiful but if a dog is fearful in the ring ....

And in this race is very important this detail