HD evaluation according the FCI rules

jasmine · 06-01-2010, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

This X ray shoudn't be used, but it was as official.

For what I saw I really dont believe it will be A even in right position.
I had a nice collection of "different hips results in imported addult dogs" when I have free time I will try to pick it back.

Than put the hungarian official certification about the vizsla x-ray as well, not just a bad quality x-ray.....because from this we don't know what was the results......

Anyway: it is surely not official. The official x-ray must use tatoo number or chipnumber of the dog, LEFT downcorner of the x-ray, and nothing else. It is a rule.

And when some owners won't bring their dogs to Poland for better results, than you could critisize of our protocol. But just than!!!!!!

Nebulosa · 06-01-2010, 21:07

The knees are missing the X rays as probably the datas of the dog also because it was clearly cropped out with photoshop, they wanted show the hips not whole X ray.
Its not me who're saying it was exemple of hungrian X ray, but the proper club

But its only one internet exemple of the problem, wich we can proof day by day with the imported dogs.

And no, I didn't had sended the X rays of my dog to poland for better results, if I would do this I would not sent him to the vet I sended as I would not sent it to poland.

But as you make question to know why do I sent it to Poland, at the time of sent back the results our club mistaken the breed at the cadastre (well, we had no CzW before) and sended it to GSD club instead of my house, it took about 6 months for I be able to know after where are my results, I really didn't had time for more breed cadastre mistake in the sent back, so I decide to make the results in both countries.
As I knew in Poland have one very reliable vet I solve to sent his X rays for him.

But dont worrie, I'm very different of you as I really care for the hips of my dogs and its selection, maybe I will sent the next results of my dogs to OFFA as well, as "the same results in 2 different countries dont count", lets put the tird one.

But you should really see about make the results also in other place to confirm the hungarian results of your dogs, as it seems your breeding have problems with hips, principally when the dogs get X rayed outside your country, as you should respect a little bit what the results say, use both C dogs in breeding is not wise nor what we can call selection.

Hanka · 07-01-2010, 08:16

A little of topic:
Everybody can send official foto to our czech club doctors, for czech HD, ED results. We have a few doctors for it, but usually owners use only two.
The doctors must make protocol A4 format with all measuring.
If somebody want do it, he can contact me for more info.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 07-01-2010, 09:57

I think you can do this in every country. The German expert is:
Dr. Wurster, Wolframstr. 13, 86161 Augsburg. The evaluation costs 25 Euros as far as I remember.
But it has to be a correct picture or it will not be evaluated. That means position as straight as possible, legs streched and turned inside as far as possible, both knees have to be on the picture and your vet has to sign that the dog has been identified by him and has been sedated till full muscle relaxation.
It would be interesting to compare the judgements.

Hanka · 07-01-2010, 10:07

Of course, correct foto.
It is only offer- to let search dog in country of origin. For some owners it is "interest" and they use this offer. And I help them to arrange it.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 07-01-2010, 10:47

Yes I did understand that. But after there was so much of discussion if Polish or Czech results are right and if Czech results are the strictes ones, I would find it more interesting to get them compared in a "neutral" country.

Ina

Hanka · 07-01-2010, 10:49

Ok, it depends on every owner......

06-01-2010, 21:07	#2
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	The knees are missing the X rays as probably the datas of the dog also because it was clearly cropped out with photoshop, they wanted show the hips not whole X ray. Its not me who're saying it was exemple of hungrian X ray, but the proper club But its only one internet exemple of the problem, wich we can proof day by day with the imported dogs. And no, I didn't had sended the X rays of my dog to poland for better results, if I would do this I would not sent him to the vet I sended as I would not sent it to poland. But as you make question to know why do I sent it to Poland, at the time of sent back the results our club mistaken the breed at the cadastre (well, we had no CzW before) and sended it to GSD club instead of my house, it took about 6 months for I be able to know after where are my results, I really didn't had time for more breed cadastre mistake in the sent back, so I decide to make the results in both countries. As I knew in Poland have one very reliable vet I solve to sent his X rays for him. But dont worrie, I'm very different of you as I really care for the hips of my dogs and its selection, maybe I will sent the next results of my dogs to OFFA as well, as "the same results in 2 different countries dont count", lets put the tird one. But you should really see about make the results also in other place to confirm the hungarian results of your dogs, as it seems your breeding have problems with hips, principally when the dogs get X rayed outside your country, as you should respect a little bit what the results say, use both C dogs in breeding is not wise nor what we can call selection. __________________ Last edited by Nebulosa; 06-01-2010 at 21:21.

07-01-2010, 08:16	#3
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	A little of topic: Everybody can send official foto to our czech club doctors, for czech HD, ED results. We have a few doctors for it, but usually owners use only two. The doctors must make protocol A4 format with all measuring. If somebody want do it, he can contact me for more info.

07-01-2010, 09:57	#4
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	I think you can do this in every country. The German expert is: Dr. Wurster, Wolframstr. 13, 86161 Augsburg. The evaluation costs 25 Euros as far as I remember. But it has to be a correct picture or it will not be evaluated. That means position as straight as possible, legs streched and turned inside as far as possible, both knees have to be on the picture and your vet has to sign that the dog has been identified by him and has been sedated till full muscle relaxation. It would be interesting to compare the judgements.

07-01-2010, 10:07	#5
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Of course, correct foto. It is only offer- to let search dog in country of origin. For some owners it is "interest" and they use this offer. And I help them to arrange it.

07-01-2010, 10:47	#6
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Yes I did understand that. But after there was so much of discussion if Polish or Czech results are right and if Czech results are the strictes ones, I would find it more interesting to get them compared in a "neutral" country. Ina

07-01-2010, 10:49	#7
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Ok, it depends on every owner......