'Just for fun' bonitation in Osieczna (PL)

[Monika]

Originariamente inviata da Pavel

All bonitations, which are supported from Czech Club have a results on official Club pages (http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz). Osieczna is not there.

Czech pages disclose no other bonitacion that not organized ... Italian, German, Polish, Belgian, Slovakian ..... it is bad argumnent. Information you can check at the administrators with name on http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz
Polish breeders do not need Bonitace! Bonitacion is nothing for breeding, there, like nowhere in Europe (except CZ and Slovakia) is a voluntary activity and I completely don ´t understand the reaction are present fanatics. Again jealousy that someone let Bonitations hold, too in Poland?

[secki]

Originariamente inviata da Monika

Again jealousy that someone let Bonitations hold, too in Poland?

Good point, my neibousr also are jealous about mine Master's degree that I bought at the market.
In addition, I have learned everything that covered stiudies plan, I have passed my exams before friends from sandbox (with legal PhD) . Everytihing was write down on the examination sheet downloaded from the University site and then sent to University.
And you know what? They do not want to confirm this ... jealousy is universal not only in Breeding csv ...


ps
all situations and names are not true, all this are just a fruits of my sick imagination.

But I even thing that sick imagination isn't only mine sickness

Originariamente inviata da Monika

Monika Soukupová
http://zmolu.vlcak.cz/cs/default.aspx

And here goes the commercial that was forgotten earlier
I'm so big compare to you ;P

[Hanka]

Once again for Ori (not for some Soukupova etc...) :
Czech club has to do nothing with bonitation in Osieczna.

[Hanka]

my reaction on Monika´s stupid answer:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanka
For Ori: maybe is some missunderstanding, czech club has nothing to do with bonitation in Osieczna.......


Nebuď trapná Hano. Bonitace byla česká a zapsána do českých karet.

and in English
Do not be ridiculous, Hano. Bonitacion - evalution has been Czech and recorded to Czech cards.

Monika Soukupová
is this:
(http://www.cswolfdog.cz/index.php?op...huzi&Itemid=78):

Zneužití klubových formulářů

Dne 20. 8. 2009 přijala pozvání k posuzování bonitace v Polsku Ing. Monika Soukupová. Posuzování bylo nahlášeno na ČMKU, nebylo oznámeno KCHČSV v ČR.
Ing. Monika Soukupová použila formuláře bonitačních karet a typizačních karet svodu dorostu Klubu chovatelů československého vlčáka v ČR. Takovéto neoprávněné použití klubových formulářů je nepřípustné z následujících důvodů:
- nejednalo se o bonitaci pořádanou KCHČSV v ČR, ani o ní nebyl klub informován
- bonitace neproběhla podle řádů KCHČSV v ČR (rozhodčí nebyl delegován klubem, nebyl přítomen poradce chovu)
- použití formulářů českých klubových bonitačních a svodových karet, které jsou opatřeny hlavičkou „Klub chovatelů československého vlčáka", může kohokoliv uvést v omyl, že pes jemuž byla takováto svodová nebo bonitační karta vystavena absolvoval svod či bonitaci pořádanou KCHČSV v ČR, tedy oficiální chovatelskou akci pořádanou v souladu s řády KCHČSV v ČR, jenž je v případě bonitace podmínkou nutnou pro zařazení mezi chovné jedince.
Výbor navrhuje následující opatření:
Výbor pozastavuje delegace Ing. Moniky Soukupové při posuzování akcí pořádaných KCHČSV do řádné konference KCHČSV (06/2010), které bude neoprávněné použití klubových formulářů předáno k posouzení. Výbor konstatuje, že při akcích které nepořádá KCHČSV není možné používat klubové formuláře nesoucí označení KCHČSV, ale pouze formuláře pořadatele.

Shortly:
Czech club stopped delegations of this person for club actions, because she abused club documents for her privat action. On conference in 2010 will club act about it officially.

[Pavel]

I mean, that its a very seriously decision. Its warning for CsW Clubs or groups, they always thinks, that when have any judge from CZ, then is their bonitation officially like in CZ. Its a basic mistake !!! But soem peopla, like Ing. Soukupova or J. Jedlicka just many years trying looks like official delegates of CZ Club (especially in Italy). So be carefully !!!

[Monika]

Originariamente inviata da Hanka

my reaction on Monika´s stupid answer:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanka
For Ori: maybe is some missunderstanding, czech club has nothing to do with bonitation in Osieczna.......


Nebuď trapná Hano. Bonitace byla česká a zapsána do českých karet.

and in English
Do not be ridiculous, Hano. Bonitacion - evalution has been Czech and recorded to Czech cards.

Monika Soukupová
is this:
(http://www.cswolfdog.cz/index.php?op...huzi&Itemid=78):

Zneužití klubových formulářů

Dne 20. 8. 2009 přijala pozvání k posuzování bonitace v Polsku Ing. Monika Soukupová. Posuzování bylo nahlášeno na ČMKU, nebylo oznámeno KCHČSV v ČR.
Ing. Monika Soukupová použila formuláře bonitačních karet a typizačních karet svodu dorostu Klubu chovatelů československého vlčáka v ČR. Takovéto neoprávněné použití klubových formulářů je nepřípustné z následujících důvodů:
- nejednalo se o bonitaci pořádanou KCHČSV v ČR, ani o ní nebyl klub informován
- bonitace neproběhla podle řádů KCHČSV v ČR (rozhodčí nebyl delegován klubem, nebyl přítomen poradce chovu)
- použití formulářů českých klubových bonitačních a svodových karet, které jsou opatřeny hlavičkou „Klub chovatelů československého vlčáka", může kohokoliv uvést v omyl, že pes jemuž byla takováto svodová nebo bonitační karta vystavena absolvoval svod či bonitaci pořádanou KCHČSV v ČR, tedy oficiální chovatelskou akci pořádanou v souladu s řády KCHČSV v ČR, jenž je v případě bonitace podmínkou nutnou pro zařazení mezi chovné jedince.
Výbor navrhuje následující opatření:
Výbor pozastavuje delegace Ing. Moniky Soukupové při posuzování akcí pořádaných KCHČSV do řádné konference KCHČSV (06/2010), které bude neoprávněné použití klubových formulářů předáno k posouzení. Výbor konstatuje, že při akcích které nepořádá KCHČSV není možné používat klubové formuláře nesoucí označení KCHČSV, ale pouze formuláře pořadatele.

Shortly:
Czech club stopped delegations of this person for club actions, because she abused club documents for her privat action. On conference in 2010 will club act about it officially.

The entire registration committee is absurd, nonsensical and confusing, and me personally asked nobody from CLUB oficilaly! After sending the results from Osiezcna I received this e -mail only:

Helena Hubáčková wrote:

Thank you very much for posting the results - such data on dogs are always an asset, and can certainly be integrated into the database.
The site KCHČSV CR but can not publish the results - this Bonitations not organized KCHČSV CR (the club website, or do not disclose the results of other Bonitations - Slovak, German or other - is not even technically realistic). But I think that the space for publication of the results should be such as ww.wilczaki/eu (should I even consider that the Admin directly Ela W.).
Best regards,
Helena Hubáčková

Breeding Club cards are used by Judges always! Others are available and are used as a "draft for the production of foreign language.
In Osiezcne were created by the Polish organizer, too, they have the owners, I took Czech b.c. to CR and sent them to CLUB.
The using of cards isn´t prohibited in any club´s rules NEVER a Judges using them always! If club has problem now and wants to make some rules, I will delete the name of KCHČSV simply...

I am responsible only ČMKU, NO CLUB! ON CMKU we must pass examinations and CMKU delegates Me, NO club!
The DELEGATION can PROPOSES Club, ONLY!
THE CLUB stopped my DELEGATION ??... is ridiculous ... to which specific ACTION stopped MY delegation?? Say exactlly name of Club action, please!

I accepted the delegations, only and made judgement of dogs as for 100x or 1 000x??? Nothing special happend..... is it really sad, fanatismus some persons, this don ´t has nothing to do with dogs...this is politics and bad politics, only.

Yes, this case will be continue, but not here!

Monika Soukupová

[Pavel]

Originariamente inviata da Monika

I am responsible only ČMKU, NO CLUB! ON CMKU we must pass examinations and CMKU delegates Me, NO club!
The DELEGATION can PROPOSES Club, ONLY!
THE CLUB stopped my DELEGATION ??... is ridiculous ... to which specific ACTION stopped MY delegation?? Say exactlly name of Club action, please!

Dont lie again Monika. Please dont misuse the situation, when peple dont understand czech. The exact trenslation of text about you delegation is :

"Board stopt delegation of Ing. Monika Soukupova by valuation of aktions, they are organisate by KCHCSV ..."
"Výbor pozastavuje delegace Ing. Moniky Soukupové při posuzování akcí pořádaných KCHČSV..."

On this actions delegate judge not CMKU, but Club. Monika, you are big demagogue and like to manipulate with people.

[Navarre]

Originariamente inviata da Monika

Czech pages disclose no other bonitacion that not organized ... Italian, German, Polish, Belgian, Slovakian .....

Our last italian bonitace is in the list :
http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz/in...ace&Itemid=108

[Hanka]

Yes, it was official bonitation organisated under czech club. Members of bonitation comission was: Jana Tomeskova (judge of czech club), Dana Matusincova (leader of czech breeding) and Ivana Stritezska (member of breedcomission).

[Monika]

Originariamente inviata da Hanka

Yes, it was official bonitation organisated under czech club. Members of bonitation comission was: Jana Tomeskova (judge of czech club), Dana Matusincova (leader of czech breeding) and Ivana Stritezska (member of breedcomission).

Italian bonitacion are organized under the Italian club C.C.L.C and ENCI 2 x per year.
The aforementioned 1 bonitations organized non - member of C.C.L.C. and for what?? ANY bonitacion is necessary for breeding in Italy and in all Europe (except Czech and Slovak) so I don ´t understand still, where is some problem? Only some people need to have some feeling
I am correct and others are wrong....
Can you imagine Italian Bonitations organized non-member of KCHČSV, member of C.C.L.C. for example in Czech in Prague? Yes, like "circus" certainly has, and certainly will in future use: 0)) I doubt that the results KCHCSV will accept as it no accepted the Italian club.
This is called interference in foreign affairs.
Similarly, the Czech club should not interfere in the settlement of Polish breeders !

[secki]

Originariamente inviata da Monika

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Come on Don Kichot, my little brave soldier, nobody will ever stop you !!
They all are wrong!!

[Pavel]

Originariamente inviata da Navarre

Our last italian bonitace is in the list :
http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz/in...ace&Itemid=108

I dont speak about official italian bonitation, but about this one :
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/164.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/152.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/136.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/119.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/102.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/58.html

[Monika]

Today at the Czech Club website published an apology Monika Soukupova.
Bonitace in Osiezcna (PL) was made correctly and according to all rules.
Point 6. ( Kaufmanová informed sortly) is canceled!
Club website:
http://www.cswolfdog.cz/

Best greetings to all ordinary people who would like to Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and not politics and promote only their personal interests and views....

Monika

[Nebulosa]

Fine, in next dogshow I will call some FCI judges for we make official czech bonitations here also.

[Hanka]

I can copy here only the same like I wrote to my first topics. Czech club has nothing with bonitation in Osieczna. We did not organized it.
I will not change something on my topic.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi, would it be possible to translate the "apology" and the rest?
Especially point 6.

Thanks in advance

[Rona]

Today at the Czech Club website published an apology Monika Soukupova.
Bonitace in Osiezcna (PL) was made correctly and according to all rules.
Point 6. ( Kaufmanová informed sortly) is canceled!

VS

Czech club has nothing with bonitation in Osieczna. We did not organized it.

So has the Czech Club finally formally accepted the bonitation or not? Does anybody know what the truth is? Maybe the President of the Club should write what the official standing of the Czech Club is and this would END this absurd dispute?

[Hanka]

His official answer is on czech version, I try ask him about translating here.

[Monika]

Originariamente inviata da Nebulosa

Fine, in next dogshow I will call some FCI judges for we make official czech bonitations here also.

Nebulosa, nobody sais that bonitacion was under Czech Club! But according to Czech rules, yes - judgement of exterier, measurement, character test, shooting. The results are accepted Czech Club like others strange bonitacion.... Italien, Belgian, German, France for example - only info more about dogs from countries where the breeders do not need it for breeding! Everybody can be organizators bonitacion and they DON´T NEED REQUEST FOR PERMISSION CZECH CLUB!

Read and translate well Mr. Skoupý. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...70959&langid=1

BUt All cards from Osiezna Club received and has them!

Why you have problem with this, still?? Because Margo not was organizator?
The people made it optionally, they wanted to have some info more about their dogs! They didn ´t need this!
Why you must to have problem with everything??
Your dogs has some bonitacion official or unofficial?? NO? And you breed with them?

I made a lot of bonitacion and my the signature is on many bonitacion cards official Czech and unofficail too.

Reset and cancel them from wolfdog. org database, please. Thanks.

Monika

[z Peronówki]

Originariamente inviata da Monika

Nebulosa, nobody sais that bonitacion was under Czech Club! But according to Czech rules, yes - judgement of exterier, measurement, character test, shooting. The results are accepted Czech Club like others strange bonitacion.... Italien, Belgian, German, France for example - only info more about dogs from countries where the breeders do not need it for breeding! Everybody can be organizators bonitacion and they DON´T NEED REQUEST FOR PERMISSION CZECH CLUB!

Nebulosa - what Monika is trying to explain to you: you do not need ANY rules.. Invite your friend who is a FCI judge for a grill party or a beer and make a bonitation. Make some measurements, shoot two times, and make some kind of character test... And the Czech Club will accpept it... If you will invite two other friends to the comittee it will be much more professional than the bonitation in Osieczna...


Sorry Monika but in this case the bonitations are no more needed in this breed because they are for NOTHING. If anyone can make ANY kind of bonitation according ANY rules and it will be accepted as VALID bonitation than why ANY club should invite you or any of the club judges? They don't need you... They can use any judge and make the bonitation according their own rules - prepare their own cards, and own regulation. Nobody must accept it, everybody can make measurements....

Sorry but you are starting again a new PARODY inside this breed... After registration of pseudo-wolfdogs and pseudo-club now you promoting pseudo-bonitation....