Ugly feminine males...

[Monika]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Monika dearest victim,

Adon Iprus didn´t have to live at Krotkovsky´s place and you steadily have problems to remember Major Rosik.
I know of offspring of Adon Iprus that didn´t reach age or quality of health of wolves, not to mention the exterieur problems (to prevent witch-gossip, Dak z Rosikova is said to have died of a turned stomach) and not so ideal HD-results. A very good example that to watch only the dog itself doesn´t say anything about it´s breeding quality. And again this is what breeding is about.
But I only took him for an example because you obviously judged him the excellent male on this exhibition, I didn´t want to discredit him, he simply is very unsimilar to an European wolf.

As it was mentioned several times do we discuss a breed of dog not wolves. But the standart clearly states that the ideal is a dog similar to an European wolf not a German Shepherd.
And there is an enormous range between much too heavy build dogs and a weak constitution, I can´t see any weak constitution in Bux and do work with European wolves (that normally don´t reach 80 kg if they are not fat) every day and as a vet can see the results of too heavy or too weak constitutions much too often. I see an athletic, elegant dog that surely had an excellent movement.

Ina

P.S. you shouldnt forget the word black in front of your new name!

Absolutely always you pick from the text what's convenient.
There's not even talking about rough dogs or lymphatic type.
And certainly not about animals who are overweight! I'm talking about the weight of wolves in the wild than in the Zoo and the like.
And the Constitution is still something other than the Condition and you should know, sorry!:
The CSW is desirable solid - firm constitutional type!
Not rough or dry.
Exclusionary type is fine and lymphatic!

I think, was from Margo very stupid and sad to pull photos already dead dog and try to discuss over them.

I had never been judged him but I knew and saw him personaly.
He was judged others Šimáčková, Hartl, Jančík, Dora, Rosík Jr. ...


I am witch, for you surely...and I will stay witch, no problem.

Monika Soukupová

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Monika

Absolutely always you pick from the text what's convenient.
There's not even talking about rough dogs or lymphatic type.
And certainly not about animals who are overweight! I'm talking about the weight of wolves in the wild than in the Zoo and the like.
And the Constitution is still something other than the Condition and you should know, sorry!:
The CSW is desirable solid - firm constitutional type!
Not rough or dry.
Exclusionary type is fine and lymphatic!

I think, was from Margo very stupid and sad to pull photos already dead dog and try to discuss over them.

I had never been judged him but I knew and saw him personaly.
He was judged others Šimáčková, Hartl, Jančík, Dora, Rosík Jr. ...


I am witch, for you surely...and I will stay witch, no problem.

Monika Soukupová

hi i would like to appologise for any comments i made regarding this dog, to both the breeder and the past owner, I had no idea this wolfdog was dead, very sorry Ronnie Winder u.k.

[z Peronówki]

Next 'professional' and 'nice' comment from a FCI judge M. Soukupova....

Originally Posted by Monika

I think, was from Margo very stupid and sad to pull photos already dead dog and try to discuss over them.

Do you mean it SERIOUS???? So from now it is forbidden to speak about ANY ancestors of our dogs because you say so.... Because ALL OF THEM A DEAD? Are you joking?

[Monika]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Next 'professional' and 'nice' comment from a FCI judge M. Soukupova....



Do you mean it SERIOUS???? So from now it is forbidden to speak about ANY ancestors of our dogs because you say so.... Because ALL OF THEM A DEAD? Are you joking?

Forbidden??? Me like " Witch " can prohibit something HERE??? You can " freeze " Me when you want. Good joke!

" We " can write and speak what we want, of course, is democracy - but if the animal is dead, we will be just speculation, always.
And judgement from pictures? I do not.
Everyone remembers the dog a little different, for me is authoritative
judgemet of Mr. Hartl and what he said, I remember it well.
So how he did it and you called this forum but it not was truth! I never heard that someone said about Bux " untypical " only you in an effort to dramatize problem, what not exist at all.

You are just bored

Witch Soukupová

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Monika

Absolutely always you pick from the text what's convenient.
There's not even talking about rough dogs or lymphatic type.
And certainly not about animals who are overweight! I'm talking about the weight of wolves in the wild than in the Zoo and the like.
And the Constitution is still something other than the Condition and you should know, sorry!:
The CSW is desirable solid - firm constitutional type!
Not rough or dry.
Exclusionary type is fine and lymphatic!

I think, was from Margo very stupid and sad to pull photos already dead dog and try to discuss over them.

I had never been judged him but I knew and saw him personaly.
He was judged others Šimáčková, Hartl, Jančík, Dora, Rosík Jr. ...


I am witch, for you surely...and I will stay witch, no problem.

Monika Soukupová

Originally Posted by Monika

S
Weight euroasian wolves (depending on the age ranges between 40 to 80 kg!)
Do not attempt here to create the illusion that the wolves have weak constitution!

Witch Soukupová

http://www.wolfsregion-lausitz.de/bi...weise/portrait
I apologize, I really should have known better than to take anything you wrote seriously, at least I learned to avoid questions.

Ina

[Monika]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

http://www.wolfsregion-lausitz.de/bi...weise/portrait
I apologize, I really should have known better than to take anything you wrote seriously, at least I learned to avoid questions.

Ina

Your comment was unnecessary. I talked about wolves gunned down in recent years.
80 kg is the largest wolf that I found the information. Your studies (and exist many!) Provides 30 - 50kg.. Other more - 39 to 72 kg.....
... 20 to 80 kg.
It depends on the age, health, maintenance condition, surely.

[elf]

What's important in such case is not the boundaries but the mean and standard deviation of the distribution weight curve shape, if you have those informations I would be eager to learn it... especially for CSV, thanks.

[Denial]

This doesn't mean that humas go from 50 cm to 230 cm, as like 90% of male population goes from 170 to 190 cmq, and almost the same thing is for weight as obesity is not a big problem in nature.
But this topic is much about whining then numbers.

[Silvester]

Hey Denial,

this is really a great picture !!!
By the way: Do you know these two people on the photo personally?

May be YOU made the photo ??

( I guess the woman is the "type" of long legged and slim like most people here prefer for the dogs....just like Bux. But she´s a little extreme...)

Ok, one can also see that this woman is a very feminine type...only because of long legs of course...!

Best regards from Germany

[Monika]

Originally Posted by Denial

This doesn't mean that humas go from 50 cm to 230 cm, as like 90% of male population goes from 170 to 190 cmq, and almost the same thing is for weight as obesity is not a big problem in nature.
But this topic is much about whining then numbers.

....sorry, but we are comparing healthy animals...not with the genetic mutation or growth failure.. Abou dwarf is another forum....

[fenris]

It is interesting to see this dog in relation to his forefathers (father: Cezar od Pavlina, grandfather: Rep z Pohranieni) and his offspring (son: Cino z Rosikova). It would be very interesting to see from the participants in this discussion some comments on his son Cino z Rosikova and his father Cezar - and the relationship in types. Fenris

[Monika]

Originally Posted by elf

What's important in such case is not the boundaries but the mean and standard deviation of the distribution weight curve shape, if you have those informations I would be eager to learn it... especially for CSV, thanks.

University of Agriculture in Prague and her students worked as a bachelor and engineering several topics related to CSWs. Concern the processing of metric´ s data and the heredity of character of CSWs.
University scientists received also a grant for research and compare DNA CSW, SAW and Wolves.
None of the work does not cater for the mass - weight of animals :0(
In any action relating to the CSWs does not record the weight,
there is nothing to process. Maybe it's a good type.
In my experience the weight of females ranges from 25 to 33 kg. Constitutionally weak females are about 23 kg. In males,
the weight ranges from 32 to 40 kg.
We are talking about healthy animals in "show condition."

One of the hardest CSW, which I knew was Freeking, but he was late in life much fat - weighed 60 kg.
If he was fit he had 46 -50 kilograms he lived 13 years.

Witch Soukupová, still

[elf]

Originally Posted by Monika

University of Agriculture in Prague and her students worked as a bachelor and engineering several topics related to CSWs. Concern the processing of metric´ s data and the heredity of character of CSWs.
University scientists received also a grant for research and compare DNA CSW, SAW and Wolves.

Thanks. Would it be possible to access those papers ?

[Monika]

Originally Posted by elf

Thanks. Would it be possible to access those papers ?

One of the best works about the character of CSWs created by Jindřich Jedlicka as work diploma.
Jindra has never not publish on Wolfdog. org. Work is private property, I have it in a bound form but I respect his opinion.
Jindra is one of the best experts on CSWs as a managed data and information processing failed after no one.
Try to contact him personally - kennel : Šedá eminence.

Work and publishing rights about DNA include the University of Prague, though the results were sent to me, because I took part in a collection of samples, I van not publish here also nothing, sorry.


For Mikael

Sangria - is a dog entered in the Register FCI and if you look in his registry he had 3 generations empty.
These animals can be exhibit! Judge never know which of the animals has pedigree and is registered in the Registr. only.
The Judge is required to judge the exterior, under the applicable standard, nothing more and nothing less.
It is very strictly forbidden to be interested about the origins animals before the jugement.
Is breed what have World dog winner with registr, only.

The book of origin of CSW is open and write to the Register is legal!

As registry FCI work let everyone find myself ... I'm tired.

It is very funny to observe how the fanatical Margo " lights up and catch the first primed " only hear the words Mutara.

3 Registers in the CR - ČMKU had entered by Mr. Hartl. Without his signature would not be possible, at all and he knew why.
It is very stupid to think, that he decided " our and his " breed CSW to discarded!

I think, those who advocate as violently strong inbreeding and condemn Registr, knows absolutely nothing about genetics and breeding, as such, and publication of any scientific papers and a comparison here is - insignificant.
Hereby apologize to all, which is not the last word.

Everyone has the right to choose and it is easy to see the pedigree and the register and to separate them from each other.

Best greetings
Witch Soukupová