Ugly feminine males...

[Hanka]

In fact, there are OTHER factors which make a CSW a great CSW...not just the HEAD.

Massimo, write it by red colour and very big font. Maybe this:
In fact, there are OTHER factors which make a CSW a great CSW...not just the HEAD.

And now, tell me, how much breeders do it. I think, not much. Everybody look at WD gallery, he see wolfish head and travel to male only for it. Not matter male is shy or he has tragical movement.....On foto is super wolfish type, so pups will look like wolf too. Shy wolfdogs? Hmmm, no problem, it is wolfdog, shynnes is normal.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Shy wolfdogs? Hmmm, no problem, it is wolfdog, shynnes is normal.

Hanka, what you say is right but shyness is NOT only a genetic factor, it ALSO depends on how the dog was brought up.
I have read your opinions on character on other threads and cannot say I agree 100% with you (photo of dog with tail under belly=shy dog...not true!)
But yes, character, structure, bloodline make a CSW...not just head, in this 100% agreement.

[Hanka]

No problem Massimo. All people are different and nobody can agree in 100%

[Mikael]

To me the head is important but mostly what’s inside of it

Judging on the look only, the most important thing will for me be the body structure and not a wolfish head or wolfish light colours...

Best regards / Mikael

[martiou07]

about great show dog or not

http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...cesses&id=7853

while being more explicit, I saw this dog, and I always wonder how judges can give the excellent ones and titles to this type of dog, I am not expert, but there I really do not include/understand ......

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by martiou07

about great show dog or not

http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...cesses&id=7853

while being more explicit, I saw this dog, and I always wonder how judges can give the excellent ones and titles to this type of dog, I am not expert, but there I really do not include/understand ......

Ask Monika

The link but in English >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...cesses&id=7853

/ Mikael

[Hanka]

Hmmmm, I see looong list of wolfdog experts.
This dog has nothing with cz. wolfdogs

[massimo]

i do NOT understand what Sangria Passo del lupo has to do with this thread.
People love passing from serious constructive talk to pure bla bla.
Milions of posts have been written on "mutara" case and i honestly DONT think that one cannot speak because somebody else points out this argument.
I find it childish.

[woland77]

Originally Posted by Hanka

I think, not much. Everybody look at WD gallery, he see wolfish head and travel to male only for it. Not matter male is shy or he has tragical movement.....On foto is super wolfish type, so pups will look like wolf too. Shy wolfdogs? Hmmm, no problem, it is wolfdog, shynnes is normal.

Hanka, you could not better describe the thought of CZW breeding in Italy...and more, on italian forum you can read: "Czw without typical wolfish mistrust, is not a good CZW...the most important is wolfish look, light eyes, short ears, large head...all others request of standard is not important.."

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by woland77

"Czw without typical wolfish mistrust, is not a good CZW...the most important is wolfish look, light eyes, short ears, large head...all others request of standard is not important.."

off course not all breeders but still...

But off course the fastest way to get there Is to add a wolf

Best regards / Mikael

[woland77]

For me (from photos and tales, off course) this dog had perfect masculine expression, perfect bones...excelent COI, and better blood because had a hybrid line more than Bux, and thuse a more genetic variability...



however i'm proud to have both, Bux and Tambury, on the pedegree of my female!

[woland77]

And it is visible also by CzW: in heavy lines there are MUCH MORE serious problem with, HD

..i can't agree..on a heavy dog, HD affect more than a light dog, (environmental factors) but from genetical heritage point view (the first, and only reason of HD presence), and genetical trasmission is wrong (for science knowledge of today), or better, is very very hard to demonstrate for the complexity of the interpenetration between genetic and environmental factors.

..if is realy than heavy type can give many healty problem, is realy also than reducing size with hig's inbreeding, even with strict selection on disease, classic depression from imbreeding are alwais present with COI more than 15% for 2-3 generation. We can see it on all toy breed and more others breed than coming from a so big type. Are all very dificult breed to breeding with great healt problem..yes, CZW is so far from this but Trumler study on domestication say: "on hybrid type these process are much faster than in a domestic dog breed"