CSV Mixes in the US

Nebulosa · 24-02-2010, 18:47

To tell the truth, different view in different countries because of different situations.

Here we have a tons of mutts wandering in the street, getting crushed by cars, poisoned or dying from diseases, often these mutts are responsible for some different kinds of zoonosis.
Most part of our people with medium/low (also high sometime) class are completly ignorant, wich loves to make non planned litters matting his own dog with the neighbor ones because they look like a breed dog, the puppies born, they sold for a low price or change for eletronical equipments, and if they dont find homes for all pups the remains go to street, increasing the number of mutts.
Also we have here a nice problem with Piometra, most of the non neuthered females will have such problem sooner or latter, mostly of the owners wich have non-neuthered dogs does not know about it and commonly only note the piometra when its too late, it when people didn't tried before some kind of "natural medicine", "pray" or something more vague for try to cure the dog.
Of course we know the problems that comes with the castration, principaly the early one, but in the campaign its simply "forgoten" for God sake

, as if we start to bring fair informations about neuthering a dog with the positive and negative sides, everyone will only look at the negative side for dont neuther the dog and continue to bring more dogs lost in this world, after make his female suffer and die because of piometra wich the irresponsible owner was unable to see when is irresponsible enough to dont search for a vet (becuse his grandmother knows how to cure it).
So here you have everyone pro castration, dogschools, vets and owners, particulary I neuther all my dogs when they will not be used for breeding after they reach 18 months, i'm also completly pro the castration of elder females, when they will not be used on breeding anymore as a way to avoid problems (hem.. principaly piometra, I swear i'm not traumatized with this disease but is that here its very common

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michaelundinaeichhorn · 24-02-2010, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

To tell the truth, different view in different countries because of different situations.

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That is exactly the point, you can´t give general rules for the whole world but have to look at situations.
Of course we see Pyometras but not very often and they are normally family pets will see a vet and get surgery and treatment, no matter what costs.

mijke · 25-02-2010, 16:45

Different countries, different opinions and also different advertisement!

In Holland animal shelters, animal protect organisations and vets make advertisement for sterilization and castration with slogans like this:
“Protect your female against pyometra and mama gland tumors by sterilisation!”

(For males they use only castration for females two methods are used: ovario-hysterectomie (OVH – everything is deleted) and ovari-ectomie (OVE - the uterus is not deleted)

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-02-2010, 11:24

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Originally Posted by mijke

(For males they use only castration for females two methods are used: ovario-hysterectomie (OVH – everything is deleted) and ovari-ectomie (OVE - the uterus is not deleted)

Both is a castration. Castration simply means the reproductive glands are removed.

mijke · 26-02-2010, 22:48

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Both is a castration. Castration simply means the reproductive glands are removed.

They also use another method, but I did not know the right terms for it!

They only cut the connetction, maybe you can understand what I mean!

blufawn · 28-02-2010, 14:58

Hi, I am the secretary of the Tamaskan Dog Register
I think some people have the wrong idea about the Tamaskan so I thought I would post to explain our breed.

The Tamaskan Dog has no wolf content, we like the Czech wolfdogs and we have a few Tamaskan owners who have Czech wolfdogs too and they notice the differences, our two breeds are nothing alike and that is ok.

We do not wish to add any Czech Wolfdog to our breed as we do not want to alter our temprement or change our type.

Last year a few unhappy people started a new breed called Aatu Tamaskan, but so far they only have pure Tamaskan Dogs. All other breeders refused to sell to them as they are bad people and it is these breeders who are now asking to use your Czech wolfdogs at stud.

Because they cannot get puppies from anywhere else they have emailed almost all Czech and Sarloose breeders and even Utonagan and NI breeders, it seems they do not care where they buy their dogs from, they just want the dogs for breeding, they do not research the lines and try to find the best dog for health and type, they are just emailing everyone.

Please know these people are inexperianced and are not part of the real Tamaskan Dog group.

All our dogs right back to the foundation dogs are DNA profiled.
We are not seeking recognition by any kennel club at the moment as the breed so still so young, we want to be well established before we go for kennel club recognition so you will not find information about us from any kc as we have not spoken to them yet and will not for a good many years.

I hope you will not dislike the real Tamaskan dog because of what the Aatu breeders are doing, if you have any questions then you can email me.

Thank you for your time
Jennie Peacock

miran · 02-03-2010, 08:10

Thanks for the support from you're site Jennie.

You gave a good picture about what is going on, that's why I told what was on here.

24-02-2010, 18:47	#1
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	To tell the truth, different view in different countries because of different situations. Here we have a tons of mutts wandering in the street, getting crushed by cars, poisoned or dying from diseases, often these mutts are responsible for some different kinds of zoonosis. Most part of our people with medium/low (also high sometime) class are completly ignorant, wich loves to make non planned litters matting his own dog with the neighbor ones because they look like a breed dog, the puppies born, they sold for a low price or change for eletronical equipments, and if they dont find homes for all pups the remains go to street, increasing the number of mutts. Also we have here a nice problem with Piometra, most of the non neuthered females will have such problem sooner or latter, mostly of the owners wich have non-neuthered dogs does not know about it and commonly only note the piometra when its too late, it when people didn't tried before some kind of "natural medicine", "pray" or something more vague for try to cure the dog. Of course we know the problems that comes with the castration, principaly the early one, but in the campaign its simply "forgoten" for God sake , as if we start to bring fair informations about neuthering a dog with the positive and negative sides, everyone will only look at the negative side for dont neuther the dog and continue to bring more dogs lost in this world, after make his female suffer and die because of piometra wich the irresponsible owner was unable to see when is irresponsible enough to dont search for a vet (becuse his grandmother knows how to cure it). So here you have everyone pro castration, dogschools, vets and owners, particulary I neuther all my dogs when they will not be used for breeding after they reach 18 months, i'm also completly pro the castration of elder females, when they will not be used on breeding anymore as a way to avoid problems (hem.. principaly piometra, I swear i'm not traumatized with this disease but is that here its very common ) __________________

25-02-2010, 16:45	#3
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	Different countries, different opinions and also different advertisement! In Holland animal shelters, animal protect organisations and vets make advertisement for sterilization and castration with slogans like this: “Protect your female against pyometra and mama gland tumors by sterilisation!” (For males they use only castration for females two methods are used: ovario-hysterectomie (OVH – everything is deleted) and ovari-ectomie (OVE - the uterus is not deleted) __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

28-02-2010, 14:58	#6
blufawn Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 1	Hi, I am the secretary of the Tamaskan Dog Register I think some people have the wrong idea about the Tamaskan so I thought I would post to explain our breed. The Tamaskan Dog has no wolf content, we like the Czech wolfdogs and we have a few Tamaskan owners who have Czech wolfdogs too and they notice the differences, our two breeds are nothing alike and that is ok. We do not wish to add any Czech Wolfdog to our breed as we do not want to alter our temprement or change our type. Last year a few unhappy people started a new breed called Aatu Tamaskan, but so far they only have pure Tamaskan Dogs. All other breeders refused to sell to them as they are bad people and it is these breeders who are now asking to use your Czech wolfdogs at stud. Because they cannot get puppies from anywhere else they have emailed almost all Czech and Sarloose breeders and even Utonagan and NI breeders, it seems they do not care where they buy their dogs from, they just want the dogs for breeding, they do not research the lines and try to find the best dog for health and type, they are just emailing everyone. Please know these people are inexperianced and are not part of the real Tamaskan Dog group. All our dogs right back to the foundation dogs are DNA profiled. We are not seeking recognition by any kennel club at the moment as the breed so still so young, we want to be well established before we go for kennel club recognition so you will not find information about us from any kc as we have not spoken to them yet and will not for a good many years. I hope you will not dislike the real Tamaskan dog because of what the Aatu breeders are doing, if you have any questions then you can email me. Thank you for your time Jennie Peacock

02-03-2010, 08:10	#7
miran Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 245	Thanks for the support from you're site Jennie. You gave a good picture about what is going on, that's why I told what was on here.