Gastric Contortion (Bloat) in CsV?

soniakanavle · 18-03-2010, 02:08

Well, they're definitely more at risk than other breeds, even without the barrel chest, but yeah, it sounds like you know the signs to look for and how to help prevent it so I'm sure Luna will be fine. And don't worry, I've never heard of a submissive CsV

Smaller than a GSD?? What makes you think that?? Flint is 27" at the shoulder and last time I weighed him, was at least 100 pounds. I know females are significantly smaller, but I remember Shetan [Flint's mother] was larger than my GSD as well. I fed my GSD Royal Canin but the main meat sorce is chicken so it's no good for Flint. I feed him either lamb & rice or venison & rice formulas. And I feed him at dinner time right before bed when he's not too active [though he gets pretty frisky when he hears the dog food cupboard open.]

bite · 18-03-2010, 10:58

lots of info here:
http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm#Causes

Enid Black · 18-03-2010, 12:35

Very interesting Link, Bite! Even because it gives some advices that I usually found the other way round: here it says: Do not use an elevated food bowl, the question is: why?
I've always read that we should NOT use ground food bowls, but that we should keep the bowl at the same level as the stomach, to allow the gases and the air to go away while the dog is eating.

It is even interesting to notice that too many burps are as worrying as no burps at all.

bite · 18-03-2010, 13:02

Just in my opinion about bowls... you know how wolfs are eating? Yes, they're eating from the ground level, they don't put their meal on some rock or tree... so I think, that the natural (low) level should be kept for csv as well.

Enid Black · 18-03-2010, 13:54

That's right Bite, but our wolfdogs don't eat hard and rare meat, just hunted and fresh (even if not tender unless they hunted a puppy or so), they eat dryfood at a much higher speed than a wolf can eat its prey (it has to separate meat from bone, and wild animals have harder meat because they make a lot of movement).
So, it would make sense with a BARF diet, but with dryfood? How does it behave inside the stomach? How would the gas exit better? These are questions that need an answer before taking a decision...

I am very interested in knowing everyone's experience and opinion, and if I question an answer is only to give more answers to our WHYs

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bite · 18-03-2010, 14:59

now I'm confused

all my dogs were always eating from ground level and any of them had any problems... but yes, they were quite small comparing to csv... I wonder what vet says about all this bowl level problem

Enid Black · 18-03-2010, 15:44

I didn't want to confuse you ^^... Yes, what is vet's word?

(as soon as I have time, I'll translate the link you posted on Italian Forum: we discussed a bit of bloat few weeks ago, and I am sure we will have other opinions... some of them may answer directly here I think...)

18-03-2010, 02:08	#1
soniakanavle Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Blanco, Texas Posts: 81	Well, they're definitely more at risk than other breeds, even without the barrel chest, but yeah, it sounds like you know the signs to look for and how to help prevent it so I'm sure Luna will be fine. And don't worry, I've never heard of a submissive CsV Smaller than a GSD?? What makes you think that?? Flint is 27" at the shoulder and last time I weighed him, was at least 100 pounds. I know females are significantly smaller, but I remember Shetan [Flint's mother] was larger than my GSD as well. I fed my GSD Royal Canin but the main meat sorce is chicken so it's no good for Flint. I feed him either lamb & rice or venison & rice formulas. And I feed him at dinner time right before bed when he's not too active [though he gets pretty frisky when he hears the dog food cupboard open.]

18-03-2010, 10:58	#2
bite Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vilnius Posts: 105	lots of info here: http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm#Causes

18-03-2010, 12:35	#3
Enid Black Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arezzo Posts: 1,142	Very interesting Link, Bite! Even because it gives some advices that I usually found the other way round: here it says: Do not use an elevated food bowl, the question is: why? I've always read that we should NOT use ground food bowls, but that we should keep the bowl at the same level as the stomach, to allow the gases and the air to go away while the dog is eating. It is even interesting to notice that too many burps are as worrying as no burps at all.

18-03-2010, 13:02	#4
bite Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vilnius Posts: 105	Just in my opinion about bowls... you know how wolfs are eating? Yes, they're eating from the ground level, they don't put their meal on some rock or tree... so I think, that the natural (low) level should be kept for csv as well.

18-03-2010, 13:54	#5
Enid Black Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arezzo Posts: 1,142	That's right Bite, but our wolfdogs don't eat hard and rare meat, just hunted and fresh (even if not tender unless they hunted a puppy or so), they eat dryfood at a much higher speed than a wolf can eat its prey (it has to separate meat from bone, and wild animals have harder meat because they make a lot of movement). So, it would make sense with a BARF diet, but with dryfood? How does it behave inside the stomach? How would the gas exit better? These are questions that need an answer before taking a decision... I am very interested in knowing everyone's experience and opinion, and if I question an answer is only to give more answers to our WHYs ...

18-03-2010, 14:59	#6
bite Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vilnius Posts: 105	now I'm confused all my dogs were always eating from ground level and any of them had any problems... but yes, they were quite small comparing to csv... I wonder what vet says about all this bowl level problem

18-03-2010, 15:44	#7
Enid Black Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arezzo Posts: 1,142	I didn't want to confuse you ^^... Yes, what is vet's word? (as soon as I have time, I'll translate the link you posted on Italian Forum: we discussed a bit of bloat few weeks ago, and I am sure we will have other opinions... some of them may answer directly here I think...)