Crying Wolf - kennel

jasmine · 10-05-2010, 15:40

This is your sentence:
"Im sorry for your friend, she can even pass few exams, but probably she will never be able to trust the dog in real work."
so here you are talking about a 8 weeks old pup !

Write me the names of several Crying Wolf dogs you have seen!!! please

Nebulosa · 10-05-2010, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasmine

This is your sentence:
"Im sorry for your friend, she can even pass few exams, but probably she will never be able to trust the dog in real work."
so here you are talking about a 8 weeks old pup !

Write me the names of several Crying Wolf dogs you have seen!!! please

And I said probably, looking the parents, what I saw and what the owners of close relacted dogs said about.
Oh, I will try to make the list if you make also the list of WORKING dogs you had, as Lupis asked, but for you have one idea some photos of Jetta Cry Wolf was done by me this year, looking in my archieve I had also did of Zulu, Jesaja, Zelma, Lupus, Czeska, Yolka and so on.

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Originally Posted by Yukidomari

Let's be happy for her friend. Maybe her puppy will be the rare dog out of lines not known for working.

I think is worth warn people who search for working dogs, as I know that not all people wich seek for working dogs are willing to kept a "useles" dog as pet forever when the training fails.

jasmine · 10-05-2010, 16:06

Czeska ? Yolka ????? Czeska was just once is dogshow Slovakia in puppy class, and maybe you could see her in Klubshow puppy class in Budapest (she win the class...), I don't remeber that you could see adult Czeska in any dogshow ......Yolka hehehe surely not.....she hasn't been any dogshow and I don't remember that you were in my kennel/dogschool or bonitacio where she was.....
What is the problem with Jetta? or Jesaya? I would like to remind you, we are talking about 6 mounth old dogs.......Zelma???she has bonitacio , several showresults , what is the problem with her? Zulu????? heheheh he is in UK, where you there?????
so, please don't tell me you have seen SEVERAL Crying Wolf dogs...when you could see not more than 2-3 , and don't write several ages when you are talking about puppy Czeska, puppy Jetta or Jesaja.
Ok, I also finish this nice conversation : )))) I hope you won't mind.

And yes, Sioban is happy and satisfied with Pollux , and totaly useless thing to talking about working ability and future exam of Pollux as he is 8 weeks old!!!
Come back a year later.

Edit

Nebulosa · 10-05-2010, 16:26

Zulu was sold almost addult, and sorry, it was not Yolka but Yasmine.
Oh, what a difficult question, whats the problem, better you ask whats the good characteristics.

What I most see in your breeding are atipical dogs, with atipical chest and weak ligaments, also some cow heel, now with J litter you get also low set ears as gift.
I dont know how you selected such characteristics on your dogs, but they are in the moment, weird.
I will die waiting the non existant working dogs list of Cry Wolf kennel.

Backman · 10-05-2010, 19:26

Nebulosa, Lupis, Mikael and sorry if I forget someone who apparently like to complain on others dogs. It is very laughable to read this forum, in every topic there is some expert writing bad stuff about others, about somebody they probably not even know in person or maybe have not even met.
I have visited Edit, seen her beautiful dogs. I wonder, Isin't it all about jealousity ?
I would not critisise such a successful breeder that have dealed with this breed for many many years. I would rather ask her for advice.
And I would never critisise someones young dogs or puppies, why? They are not full grown and have lot of training in front of them until they are mature adult wolfdogs.
Look at your own dogs, are they perfect? Are you perfect owners.. none of us is perfect.

We all have different opinions, but why talk shit or try to hurt somebody on a forum? Children that do not know what is right or wrong to tell, they get excused, but adult people should be ashamed.

I think this discussion is way out of line.
Why not give each other advice and try to help each other and for all of us readers, keep this forum so we do not have to be ashamed of what you write here. We are hopefully all adults.

If you have something to discuss further with Edit, please take it in person with her, we do not want to read it here.

Let's be happy for Pollux that he was in good condition after long travel, and let's be happy for the new owners first wolfdog. I hope she will be pleased with him !
And in my opinion it is very much up to the owner, what it will become of the dog.

And keep in mind, that all people that get a wolfdog do not use them as "working dogs". I do not think that dogs have a bad life, or is bad quality of wolfdog, just because they do not become working dogs or owner is not interested in that. A dog want to be loved and needed, a true familymember. Correct me if I am wrong.

Best Regards,
Jenny Bäckman
Finland

yukidomari · 10-05-2010, 19:39

Jenny -

While I do agree with you some points, I do think that a well founded statement on the direction of a kennel is not "talking shit" all the time.

It has been pointed out that Crying Wolf dogs are not known to have titled much and Luna's Mom's friend has apparently expressed interest in a dog that is of breeding quality, good for conformation shows, and good for SchH sport.

I do not know how much we can depend on a puppy to fulfill these points out of a kennel not known for it. It is not dependant upon meeting the dogs or breeders.. which, may I add, the buyer herself did not meet the parents or dogs or breeder, either.

The puppy is out of a dam with a bonitation code that denotes shyness. In my opinion, and it does not have be one well versed in CSVs, perhaps that the breeder did not make a good recommendation of a puppy.

Perhaps the puppy WILL be a good fit. And, live up to all the expectations. But a breeder is supposed to provide the BEST possible fit. If Edit's kennel breeds for show dogs (no criticism from me for that), maybe she had better to recommend a working kennel for a person interested in work in order to better guarantee the person will get what they want. A kennel with a proven record of having dogs with qualities that fulfill the requirements of the buyer.

What good breeder wants to take a gamble with a puppy, that it will not live up to reasonable expectations?

Mikael · 10-05-2010, 19:59

Hello Jenny

I do not talk shit, I only say that Crying Wolf is not famous for working dogs but for wolfish looking dogs, if you think that is talking shit ? Ask Edit

I do not think she will say she breeds working CsV´s

Best regards / Mikael

Backman · 10-05-2010, 20:00

Dear Jing,

I am no expert, I have only lived with CzW since february 2007. But my opinion is that, if someone want working dog, buy a german shepherd or other breed that for sure will do what work you want.

But you are right with that, there are kennels that do work with their Czw and compete too I suppose. But behind every CzW there is wolf, and even if you would buy a puppy from one working kennel, you still have a little bit of wild wolf in your leash. There is no quarantee of what you get, It is up to owner, if they understand their dog, understand how to train, what just "this unique wolfdog" needs. There is no way you can make a wolfdog to working dog with exams as "easily" as a GSD or Maliois.
I have much to learn, and I admire people who are good at training their dogs!
But this is my opinion. I have only trained obedience with my female Blazy for 3 years, not for exams, only because I enjoy it and I think dogs needs to do something with their head too, not just run and eat all the time

But Blazy is no working dog in my eyes, she is my sofa wolf...

Best regards
Jenny

lupis · 10-05-2010, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

If Edit's kennel breeds for show dogs (no criticism from me for that), maybe she had better to recommend a working kennel for a person interested

Show dog i like sport dog and it mus be good character not shy. Ask why some breeder use drugs to be able to show dogs. befcause of very much bad character.
Same is body. dog with dysplasia in hips can not run good. it is also not "show line".
Sami with legs - in bad position the dog move ugly and can win only if judge is lame.

for me most important is character, but i wolf fan too. but on my list with 10 best wolfdogs is no crying wolf. I love galiba but i saw him and is nothing compared with photos. small, very much shy and thin bone. and very much not typical walk and run with problem in legs.

lupis · 10-05-2010, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backman

Nebulosa, Lupis, Mikael and sorry if I forget someone who apparently like to complain on others dogs. It is very laughable to read this forum, in every topic there is some expert writing bad stuff about others, about somebody they probably not even know in person or maybe have not even met.
I have visited Edit, seen her beautiful dogs. I wonder, Isin't it all about jealousity ?
I would not critisise such a successful breeder that have dealed with this breed for many many years. I would rather ask her for advice.

You buy puppy there? I will always be shocked because of you people supporting puppy production. But you have Crying wolf dog so i understad you will protect this style.

Jealous - no. I not a breeder and i have no reason. But i read and know much about work dogs. and i can not read such lies that sofa dog can be very good work dog.

10-05-2010, 16:26	#4
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Zulu was sold almost addult, and sorry, it was not Yolka but Yasmine. Oh, what a difficult question, whats the problem, better you ask whats the good characteristics. What I most see in your breeding are atipical dogs, with atipical chest and weak ligaments, also some cow heel, now with J litter you get also low set ears as gift. I dont know how you selected such characteristics on your dogs, but they are in the moment, weird. I will die waiting the non existant working dogs list of Cry Wolf kennel. __________________

10-05-2010, 19:59	#7
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Hello Jenny I do not talk shit, I only say that Crying Wolf is not famous for working dogs but for wolfish looking dogs, if you think that is talking shit ? Ask Edit I do not think she will say she breeds working CsV´s Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916 Last edited by Mikael; 10-05-2010 at 20:54. Reason: 60 % of the text delited bocouse of topic move...

10-05-2010, 15:40	#1
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	This is your sentence: "Im sorry for your friend, she can even pass few exams, but probably she will never be able to trust the dog in real work." so here you are talking about a 8 weeks old pup ! Write me the names of several Crying Wolf dogs you have seen!!! please

10-05-2010, 16:06	#3
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	Czeska ? Yolka ????? Czeska was just once is dogshow Slovakia in puppy class, and maybe you could see her in Klubshow puppy class in Budapest (she win the class...), I don't remeber that you could see adult Czeska in any dogshow ......Yolka hehehe surely not.....she hasn't been any dogshow and I don't remember that you were in my kennel/dogschool or bonitacio where she was..... What is the problem with Jetta? or Jesaya? I would like to remind you, we are talking about 6 mounth old dogs.......Zelma???she has bonitacio , several showresults , what is the problem with her? Zulu????? heheheh he is in UK, where you there????? so, please don't tell me you have seen SEVERAL Crying Wolf dogs...when you could see not more than 2-3 , and don't write several ages when you are talking about puppy Czeska, puppy Jetta or Jesaja. Ok, I also finish this nice conversation : )))) I hope you won't mind. And yes, Sioban is happy and satisfied with Pollux , and totaly useless thing to talking about working ability and future exam of Pollux as he is 8 weeks old!!! Come back a year later. Edit

10-05-2010, 19:26	#5
Backman Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 22	Nebulosa, Lupis, Mikael and sorry if I forget someone who apparently like to complain on others dogs. It is very laughable to read this forum, in every topic there is some expert writing bad stuff about others, about somebody they probably not even know in person or maybe have not even met. I have visited Edit, seen her beautiful dogs. I wonder, Isin't it all about jealousity ? I would not critisise such a successful breeder that have dealed with this breed for many many years. I would rather ask her for advice. And I would never critisise someones young dogs or puppies, why? They are not full grown and have lot of training in front of them until they are mature adult wolfdogs. Look at your own dogs, are they perfect? Are you perfect owners.. none of us is perfect. We all have different opinions, but why talk shit or try to hurt somebody on a forum? Children that do not know what is right or wrong to tell, they get excused, but adult people should be ashamed. I think this discussion is way out of line. Why not give each other advice and try to help each other and for all of us readers, keep this forum so we do not have to be ashamed of what you write here. We are hopefully all adults. If you have something to discuss further with Edit, please take it in person with her, we do not want to read it here. Let's be happy for Pollux that he was in good condition after long travel, and let's be happy for the new owners first wolfdog. I hope she will be pleased with him ! And in my opinion it is very much up to the owner, what it will become of the dog. And keep in mind, that all people that get a wolfdog do not use them as "working dogs". I do not think that dogs have a bad life, or is bad quality of wolfdog, just because they do not become working dogs or owner is not interested in that. A dog want to be loved and needed, a true familymember. Correct me if I am wrong. Best Regards, Jenny Bäckman Finland

10-05-2010, 19:39	#6
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Jenny - While I do agree with you some points, I do think that a well founded statement on the direction of a kennel is not "talking shit" all the time. It has been pointed out that Crying Wolf dogs are not known to have titled much and Luna's Mom's friend has apparently expressed interest in a dog that is of breeding quality, good for conformation shows, and good for SchH sport. I do not know how much we can depend on a puppy to fulfill these points out of a kennel not known for it. It is not dependant upon meeting the dogs or breeders.. which, may I add, the buyer herself did not meet the parents or dogs or breeder, either. The puppy is out of a dam with a bonitation code that denotes shyness. In my opinion, and it does not have be one well versed in CSVs, perhaps that the breeder did not make a good recommendation of a puppy. Perhaps the puppy WILL be a good fit. And, live up to all the expectations. But a breeder is supposed to provide the BEST possible fit. If Edit's kennel breeds for show dogs (no criticism from me for that), maybe she had better to recommend a working kennel for a person interested in work in order to better guarantee the person will get what they want. A kennel with a proven record of having dogs with qualities that fulfill the requirements of the buyer. What good breeder wants to take a gamble with a puppy, that it will not live up to reasonable expectations?

10-05-2010, 20:00	#8
Backman Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 22	Dear Jing, I am no expert, I have only lived with CzW since february 2007. But my opinion is that, if someone want working dog, buy a german shepherd or other breed that for sure will do what work you want. But you are right with that, there are kennels that do work with their Czw and compete too I suppose. But behind every CzW there is wolf, and even if you would buy a puppy from one working kennel, you still have a little bit of wild wolf in your leash. There is no quarantee of what you get, It is up to owner, if they understand their dog, understand how to train, what just "this unique wolfdog" needs. There is no way you can make a wolfdog to working dog with exams as "easily" as a GSD or Maliois. I have much to learn, and I admire people who are good at training their dogs! But this is my opinion. I have only trained obedience with my female Blazy for 3 years, not for exams, only because I enjoy it and I think dogs needs to do something with their head too, not just run and eat all the time But Blazy is no working dog in my eyes, she is my sofa wolf... Best regards Jenny