What is an interesting pedigree?

[buidelwolf]

And if I understand it well, my dog belongs to group II? > http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...py?dog_id=9659

[elf]

I cannot say for sure. Maybe Hanka ? BTW, did Karel Skoupy had a try ?

Not clear lines from these groups comes IMHO from the fact these groups show "old snapshot" of the breed. But, like in chess, it's better to have a plan, even if not perfect, than no plan .

[elf]

BREEDING GROUPS

Here is what can help, I added "Breeding groups" to the tool, basically it search in a dog pedigree (or planned mating) the presence of another dog (and its %).

Let say I want to know if Cett Malý Bysterec has Amur z Dáblova kanonu in it's pedigree, I find both dog ID with Find ID, then in "Enter dog ID:" I enter the ID of Cett Malý Bysterec (6382) and in "ID to check in pedigree: " the ID of Amur z Dáblova kanonu (796) It gives: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...d_to_check=796





=> Amur z Dáblova kanonu is not in Cett Malý Bysterec pedigree

Check for Káj z Rosíkova CS in Cett Malý Bysterec pedigree: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...d_to_check=929

=> Káj z Rosíkova CS is in Cett Malý Bysterec pedigree, and we see how.

Check for Dinon Dánon Fehérlófia in Oliver Passo del Lupo pedigree: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco..._to_check=1043

NB: we can also use the + operator to check for a mating, for exemple does Cutt ---dell Irco Sortiere--- (3584) would be in pedigree of Furcas z Peronówki (7818) + Orion Eden severu (7968), I enter 7818+7968 in Enter dog ID and 3584 in ID to check in pedigree: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco..._to_check=3584



Does Cita z Doušova dvora would be in pedigree of Furcas z Peronówki + Orion Eden severu : http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...d_to_check=924

And so on...

[Hanka]

Hi, now we have two days before club conferention, so I think everybody here in club has much other work. Please wait a few days for answer.

[elf]

Hmm... I feel for a while that there is a misrepresentation across people on what is a "line".

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by elf

Hmm... I feel for a while that there is a misrepresentation across people on what is a "line".

But its fine, important is that everyone is understanding each other.
The breed is still new, and the few "kennel line" existent mostly are chaotic, bad selected wich get recognized because its several serious defects looking at the standard.
So let it be.

[of_Mercedes_Dream]

@ Hanka,
1/How do you see the genopool in Belgium? Which groups are already in Belgium?
2/What is the most important in breeding CSV? Bloodline, bonitation, workingtitles,HD,... . Also for me the show results are the less important.
Patrick

[elf]

1/How do you see the genopool in Belgium? Which groups are already in Belgium?

What you can do is to find all dogs living in Belgium with: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...ountry=Belgien

Then on the left you have all dogs, let's click on the first one (it's ID is automatically filled): http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...rm.py?id=11570

Then click on "CZ breedings groups": http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...y?dog_id=11570

To have a picture of the whole country you need to do it for all dogs in Belgium, I don't add the option to do this on the server because the load (calculation) would be too high (if many do this the same time), but you still can have a picture doing it by hand for each dog in Belgium. I can do it on my local computer, run it and wait 15min for the result for exemple, but to give this option available for everyone is more challenging... or we would need a big server.

2/What is the most important in breeding CSV? Bloodline, bonitation, workingtitles,HD

What breeding programs usually do is to create a breeding value for each dogs according to criterions you choose. Let say for exemple you have/want 4 criterions:

- A: HD
- B: bloodline
- C: bonitation
- D: working title

Then you need to add some ponderation to say which criterions are more important (at the moment for the breed, or in your specific contry etc) than other. Let's say a for HD, b for bloodline, c for bonitation, d for working title, then the dog breeding value is:

dogBV = aA + bB + cC + dD

With this number for each dog you can set up some large scale breeding plan.

[jmvdwiel]

Is there also an option to find a matching partner for you dog which has different breedings groups?

[Hanka]

Hi Patrick,
I will contact you next week, OK?

[Hanka]

Hi friends, sorry about my late, I was a little busy .
So for Ste:
Tristan della Lacha VIII group

for Buideiwolf:
Delan van Hiemrod II group

[Hanka]

Hi Patrick,
please sorry about my late. You know, if you will need something, I am always ready to help you.
Alfi gr. II
Altraz gr. II
Ariph gr.IV (but this his pedigree is mixture )
Fenrir gr. II
Foalan gr. II
Heron gr. I
Snow gr. VI
if you want to look at other males in groups and see where are "your" belgian males, you can see it here:
http://wolfdog.wbs.cz/Situation-in-c...eding-now.html

[ste]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi friends, sorry about my late, I was a little busy .
So for Ste:
Tristan della Lacha VIII group

Sorry, I don't understand..you consider the most imortant dog or you make a sum between the dogs of each group? for Tristan:
Looking at father line :
Gr V: Bak 6.25,Barry 1.5625 = 7.8125 ?
Gr VII : Ariska 6.25, Cita 9.375 = 15.625 ?
Gr VIII: Ajax 6.25

Father+mother:
The higher are Bak and CIta, both with 9.375 ; the sum of the groups :
V : 12.5
VII : 17.1875
VIII: 12.5

Why the group should be the VIII?
Thanks...