What is an interesting pedigree?

[elf]

1/How do you see the genopool in Belgium? Which groups are already in Belgium?

What you can do is to find all dogs living in Belgium with: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...ountry=Belgien

Then on the left you have all dogs, let's click on the first one (it's ID is automatically filled): http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...rm.py?id=11570

Then click on "CZ breedings groups": http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...y?dog_id=11570

To have a picture of the whole country you need to do it for all dogs in Belgium, I don't add the option to do this on the server because the load (calculation) would be too high (if many do this the same time), but you still can have a picture doing it by hand for each dog in Belgium. I can do it on my local computer, run it and wait 15min for the result for exemple, but to give this option available for everyone is more challenging... or we would need a big server.

2/What is the most important in breeding CSV? Bloodline, bonitation, workingtitles,HD

What breeding programs usually do is to create a breeding value for each dogs according to criterions you choose. Let say for exemple you have/want 4 criterions:

- A: HD
- B: bloodline
- C: bonitation
- D: working title

Then you need to add some ponderation to say which criterions are more important (at the moment for the breed, or in your specific contry etc) than other. Let's say a for HD, b for bloodline, c for bonitation, d for working title, then the dog breeding value is:

dogBV = aA + bB + cC + dD

With this number for each dog you can set up some large scale breeding plan.

[jmvdwiel]

Is there also an option to find a matching partner for you dog which has different breedings groups?

[Hanka]

Hi Patrick,
I will contact you next week, OK?

[Hanka]

Hi friends, sorry about my late, I was a little busy .
So for Ste:
Tristan della Lacha VIII group

for Buideiwolf:
Delan van Hiemrod II group

[Hanka]

Hi Patrick,
please sorry about my late. You know, if you will need something, I am always ready to help you.
Alfi gr. II
Altraz gr. II
Ariph gr.IV (but this his pedigree is mixture )
Fenrir gr. II
Foalan gr. II
Heron gr. I
Snow gr. VI
if you want to look at other males in groups and see where are "your" belgian males, you can see it here:
http://wolfdog.wbs.cz/Situation-in-c...eding-now.html

[elf]

SK is building/updating their breeding groups, I think that CZ and SK should work together on this and share groups, is it the case ? I don't know SK groups, but at least CZ groups would benefit an update.

[Hanka]

OK Elf. When will be on list some new czech males after bonitations, I will write you new list.
Slovaks- I don´t know slovak groups too. Maybe Saschia will inform us.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by elf

SK is building/updating their breeding groups, I think that CZ and SK should work together on this and share groups, is it the case ? I don't know SK groups, but at least CZ groups would benefit an update.

No. We miss here one really important thing - the goal for breeders from other countries is not to copy the CZECH (or Slovak) lines but to make THEIR OWN. It is what has be told to me many times during my visits in Slovakia.

Breeders should cooperate but every country has different blood and different opportunities. At the same time every country is able to make only few groups. For the whole POPULATION it would be much beter if there would be more different lines and not the few "Czech"; it would be much beter if every country will make their own lines.

What it means - it is better to THINK than to COPY...
Example: one of the listed groups is a real Pandora's box: full of dogs which are not only looking like German Shepherds but also suffering from serious problems with hips and elbows. Simply said: horrible look + horrible health problems. For years I was happy that we didn't have dogs from this group in Poland.... Till last year. One of the brainless breeders make huge promotion for this blood and there were few litters born.
Should I be hapy to have this "unique" and "seldom" line by us? No, I'm not. Especially when I see the puppies on our dog shows. Already at the early age they are moving like ill german shepherds. Not able to jump, not able to run harmonious. Tired to death after 5 minuts of playing. It is VERY SAD look when you see puppies which would like to play but are not able to do this because of the totally body failure.

No - really not everything is good to be copied and not all blood lines are worth to be saved.... Lines are important but not at all costs....


So my idea is - it will be better not to base on the Czech lines but to make a program which will show offsprings of specific dogs which are already "on the merket". For example if someone will decide to make "Gar z Rosikova" line the program should give as results stud dogs with the highest amount of Gar z Rosikova blood. It would be universal solution which every country, every breeder and every club can use

[ste]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi friends, sorry about my late, I was a little busy .
So for Ste:
Tristan della Lacha VIII group

Sorry, I don't understand..you consider the most imortant dog or you make a sum between the dogs of each group? for Tristan:
Looking at father line :
Gr V: Bak 6.25,Barry 1.5625 = 7.8125 ?
Gr VII : Ariska 6.25, Cita 9.375 = 15.625 ?
Gr VIII: Ajax 6.25

Father+mother:
The higher are Bak and CIta, both with 9.375 ; the sum of the groups :
V : 12.5
VII : 17.1875
VIII: 12.5

Why the group should be the VIII?
Thanks...