Calculation of Wolf blood?

[hanninadina]

Vicky, what do you mean where the csw fits in the scale? Where shall a F 6 wolfdog fit? Right, near the wolf. The wolf genes are not "cooked" away.... Look at csv statistic, lots of the csw have at minimum two wolves in their lines, but a few have more or all 4 wolves.

Christian

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Vicky, what do you mean where the csw fits in the scale? Where shall a F 6 wolfdog fit? Right, near the wolf. The wolf genes are not "cooked" away.... Look at csv statistic, lots of the csw have at minimum two wolves in their lines, but a few have more or all 4 wolves.

Christian

What I'm saying is that genes are always combining and changing into something new with every generation. With GSDs being so different to wolves genetically (in comparison with other breeds) it only makes sense that CsVs might fall farther away than some other breeds, despite the difference in recent genetic addition. The more people breed selectively and move the breed towards a cohesive standard, the more the genes are going to mutate into their own general group, neither wolf nor GSD. If you look at the breeds closer to wolves genetically vs. the breeds farther away, the differences aren't in when the last wolves were actually introduced, it's in how much "interference" humans give vs. nature. The breeds near the top of the list developed mainly without help, where the breeds near the bottom are more biddable and more "touched" by humans. THIS is why I'm curious where the CsV stands, it's quite possible the dogs are further from wolves than people want to admit.

[Gypsy Wolf]

Supposedly, one of the founding ancestors of the GSD (grandparent of Horand) was a WOLF, so I am not quite sure about the genetic "study" that says GSD are the breed "furthest away" from the wolf... I would say they are one of the ones that, aside from CsV and Saarloos, have the closest traceable link - most recent ancestry to the wolf. And there are also whispers of wolves being brought into the GSD early on in it's development, not to mention the whispers about the wolf blood in the Czechoslovakian strain of GSDs - word is that the Pohranicni Straze breeders kept some of the wolf-dog crosses in their GSD breeding program, which may be what accounts for the morphoogical and behavioral differences between the Czech GSDs and other lines...
Also I just wanted to say that Bezinka really looks (to me) like our Eastern Coyote, as opposed to the North American wolf. She is gorgeous. I, personally, have always had an admiration for coyotes due to their intelligence, resourcefulness and adaptability. Heck, they EASILY live in our urban areas - from downtown Chicago to NYC's Central Park! Whereas wolves need specific habitats in which to live... Clever Coyote, the Trickster, seems to be able to live right alongside us here and not get noticed much...

[hanninadina]

Vicky, I am sorry to say but I can not follow your arguments. It make no sense having a wolf in 6. generation in front of my for example Myla Crying Wolf and you try to say that she is far away from wolf? Did you ever tell that in the US to the people who made beast out of hybrids which they definetly not are? Your arguments would be the same.

But what is much more important is, that in 2007 in germany (poland) they made genetic studies, at the place where they researched the genes from germanies wolves, with the genetic material from csw and saarloos. And what can I tell you, the result was, that csw are wolf mixes!

From logical point of view your ideas can not match.

Bob Wayne even find out that under 85 pure breed dogs there are ancient breeds like Basenji, Saluki, Akita, Malamute, Siberian Husky, ChowChow and a few others there is wolf in them! He calls ancient breeds the ones who are older than 500 years. So if you notice that you can imagine that they will find a lot of wolf in the breed like csw.

Christian