What is an interesting pedigree?

[elf]

Originally Posted by Margo

Now the another question to the clubs

- You know the slovak lines are different. Do you consider the possibility to meet with the Slovak club and to prepare 'common' lines (I do not say that you have to follow all of them - just to write dow all possible lines which should be followed)? It can be made on a very easy way - if you would redefine the criterions for the groups as elf suggested and divide the dogs in lines of more recent dogs comming from CZ and SK. Such groups can be followed not only in CZ and SK but also in other countries (as the most dogs abroad were imported after 1995).
In such case every country can care for its "own" lines but at the same moment to follow the guidelines valid for the whole population.

So if there is the possiblity that both origin clubs will define for example 20 groups - Czech club will follow for example 8 of them, Slovaks 5, France and Italy also 5, Germany 3. Some lines will agree with each other. Some will be "specific" for a country.
Thanks to this we would not have the situation when in Czech Republic has 8 groups, Slovaks less and the rest of Wolfdogs are bred according no rules - pure chaos. But we would get 20 different lines. We can reach something what Slovak and Czech Club is not able to reach working alone and only for "themselves"...

I made some researches checking ancestors in all CSV pedigrees, I found again about how the "old groups" were built, it's the same method used but ancestors troncated at birth around 1980. I did the same with ancestors birth from severals dates (each year from 1980->2000), I put the files for you to check here: CSV Lines

I think we can start with 1990 file, and check if fulfill the needs, then makes some adjustments if needed.

I put 'weight' parameter in first column to let you see the relative importance between eachother dogs. From this list we can hopefully build new groups valid for every country.

[Hanka]

Hi Elf, if you will have some questions to me or about czech groups, write me email. I answer you. And what I will not know, I ask here "right persons"

[elf]

Thanks Hanka. I think we have the infos needed to build new groups, in the idea as Margo said, to have goups that can be followed in every country. Do you think CZ club can move in this direction ? Saschia what about SK club ?
Who is responsible for groups maintenance in each clubs ?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by elf

Thanks Hanka. I think we have the infos needed to build new groups, in the idea as Margo said, to have goups that can be followed in every country. Do you think CZ club can move in this direction ? Saschia what about SK club ?
Who is responsible for groups maintenance in each clubs ?

Lithuanian dog I.
but... in others country breeder make self breeding plan without club and in this case not can say - "we have this and this and make this and this in ours land" when all breeder detision who want in theys breeding.
but info about dogs, bloods and line who are in country can say.
Lithuanian, Latvia, Estonia- I, Russian- Morian, Poland- Margo, others country not know who are people "poradca chovu"

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Lithuanian dog I.
but... in others country breeder make self breeding plan without club and in this case not can say - "we have this and this and make this and this in ours land" when all breeder detision who want in theys breeding.
but info about dogs, bloods and line who are in country can say.
Lithuanian, Latvia, Estonia- I, Russian- Morian, Poland- Margo, others country not know who are people "poradca chovu"

Really? You mean, that in Lithuania other breeders make breeding plans with a club?

[wolfin]

without like and others country I think You very good know this self

[Morian]

even absence of club doesn't mean that it must be no plan. but absence of the plan means chaos, imho either we just make pups, or we work (i mean selection, interests of the breed's future etc). i'm not a breeder, don't wonder

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by wolfin

without like and others country I think You very good know this self

Exactly...


But maybe the breeders all over the world have their own plans? How should these "club regulations" work? Like, the club says "you have to mate your bitch with this male, because we say so"? Or should it simply be an advise? In fact I agree with Margo's idea - every country should create their own lineage...

[ste]

Originally Posted by elf

Thanks Hanka. I think we have the infos needed to build new groups, in the idea as Margo said, to have goups that can be followed in every country. Do you think CZ club can move in this direction ? Saschia what about SK club ?
Who is responsible for groups maintenance in each clubs ?

Now the groups are made only considering "father line",this is more romantic than scientific... will they accept that new groups will be both with father and mother lines?

[Hanka]

Originally Posted by ste

Now the groups are made only considering "father line",this is more romantic than scientific... will they accept that new groups will be both with father and mother lines?

No. Lines are always only from father. From mother it is "family". For breeding are important almost only father "sides". We will not create some new lines, because new lines does not exist. We have old lines (from beggin of breed) and it is enough for future of breed.
But we have two list of females. In first we can see females in mother sides and in second in father sides. Males are only in father sides.
If you want see it, you can look here. But it is only in czech language. Look down on page:
http://wolfdog.wbs.cz/Soucasna-situa...hovu-v-CR.html

[elf]

We will not create some new lines, because new lines does not exist.

It's all about terminology.

We have old lines (from beggin of breed) and it is enough for future of breed.

Current groups are not consistent anymore, they were 20 years ago, but it's broken now and it's normal as time goes. In some years it will be almost useless.