Iran Zemplínska oblast

[CDaniela]

Nebulosa
I recommend to make the DM test for Iran.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by CDaniela

Nebulosa
I recommend to make the DM test for Iran.

Daniela, I suggest rather to read about symptoms of DM
I really wish you that Amore moves at the age of 12 years as good as Iran. And that he has so much energy. It is a pitty that you didn't met him - believe me: he is more active as "grandpa" than Amore right now... When he was at my home I had to pay attention for him because he EASILY jumped over 2m fence (he loved to visit neighbours' females). Last year he was able to cover a female which was almost 69cm...
And believe me - he didn't had happy life like Amore (sleeping on a sofa). No - he spent his life in a 2x2meter kennel without any playground. And Amore's food was what Iran only dreamed about. And I'm sure Amore will never be almost starving like Iran was when I picked him up.

Believe me - when you take in consideration contidions and the sad life Iran had you will be astonish about his condition, activity and vitality. And I wish any dog to move, jump and run like him at this age....

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

And I'm sure Amore will never be almost starving like Iran was when I picked him up.

Believe me - when you take in consideration contidions and the sad life Iran had you will be astonish about his condition, activity and vitality. And I wish any dog to move, jump and run like him at this age....

Thanks Margo for saving Iran, for he´s own good and for the future of the breed

Very best regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by pedrocalle

I raised this topic because it seems to me to be very important, but simultaneously it seems to me to be slightly worrying. If we pull the thread wherefrom our current dogs come, they all end in Rep.

The problem is not Rep, in several breeds you can meet even more restricted genetic pool, even if all dogs comes back to Rep in 8 or 9 generation, differents preferences in the selection of the breed should mantain the tipicity while at the same time as small diferences from region to region will appear, also as different genetical conections, which can garantee the genetical diversity enough to preserve the breed.

Basically, the breed will be selected looking for different features in different places, this different selection will already be able to raise the genetical diversity by itself

Originally Posted by CDaniela

Nebulosa
I recommend to make the DM test for Iran.

I also recomend to test your dogs, as it would be great if everybody make it in every dog, because some people with affected dogs are having a huge problem to find free studs with compatible genetic.
After a good ammount of tested dogs, we will be able to know WHAT SHOULD WE DO for select DM without affect even more the (poor) quality of the breed today.
We will not be able to select HD, ED, DM or any other disease while we nor even have tipical dogs for chose, while soon we will have to pick up the pieces of what remained of the interesting lines, which were well known to give wolfish features and health, from atipical dogs with a huge tendency for health problems.

[CDaniela]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I also recomend to test your dogs, as it would be great if everybody make it in every dog, because some people with affected dogs are having a huge problem to find free studs with compatible genetic.

My dogs will soon be tested on DM and Dwarf.

[hanninadina]

When Iran seems to be important for the breed I do not understand, why Margo sold him to Brasil?

Paula is writing from "(poor) quality of the breed.... Not long ago everybody was claiming and confirming what healthy breed csw is?!

So talking about genetic variablity I can only say, it seems to be time to cross in a new carpathian line officially! The clubs should sit together, if male or female wolf should be used and of course which dog. Than there should be an arrangement that every club will get a pup out of this litter. And so far - I hope - everybody knows it needs time to breed a wolf to a dog. So there must be raised up a wolf cub together with a csw pup. Best would be a few wolf cubes so one can see which one is good in behaviour and of course healthy selection must be done when he/she is in the age. So it would be necessary to raise up a few wolves.

So be honest to yourself.

[CDaniela]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

When Iran seems to be important for the breed I do not understand, why Margo sold him to Brasil?

Many very good dogs are imported ....

[hanninadina]

You mean exported to abroad. Which for example you mean?

It makes no sense to export an important dog like Iran to Brasil where are 5, 10 or how many csw???? As I wrote I do not understand why this had be done and now everybody is talking about that he is important and how well he is?????

Daniela, I like your dog very much!!!! Congratulation for him!

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

You mean exported to abroad. Which for example you mean?

It makes no sense to export an important dog like Iran to Brasil where are 5, 10 or how many csw???? As I wrote I do not understand why this had be done and now everybody is talking about that he is important and how well he is?????

why to Brazil? for breeding. In europe per 10 years him used only a few breeder, other love moore tituled or other nice doggy why he mas dead in Europa, when 80 % breeder make this who make, when he can make big work in other country?

[CDaniela]

You mean exported to abroad. Which for example you mean?
For example Baron spod Ďumbiera, Enor Malý Bysterec ....

Daniela, I like your dog very much!!!! Congratulation for him!
Thank you. I love him, too

[TipTop]

I do not understand, why Margo sold him to Brasil?

Maybe cause Brazilian breeders are knowned worldwide for the excellent zootecnical work they did with some other animals?

I mean, Brazil has currently the best Nelore cattle in the world.
Same happens to Arabian and Lusitano horses.
None of those animals are original from Brazil, and even that way, we have what every breeder in world wants
Just to mention some simple examples, of course that are few others...

And I would be not surprise if some day the same happens to Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.

I dont understand why some people that never took the time to travel and to know our country decides to speak without the proper care, culture and information.

Please, come to visit us to know and learn what we are capable.
I am strogly sure that u will ve a surprise that will change ur mind...

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

When Iran seems to be important for the breed I do not understand, why Margo sold him to Brasil?

You had a litter from Myla Crying Wolf at the end of 2008 according to the database, since the start of 2008 everyone knew about the existence of Iran because some people criticized severely this dog because he was supposed to be P14, as have 64cm hight, if you knew he was so important to the breed, knowing that at that time he had about 10 years old and was still a very fertile male, why didn't you used him with Myla? It would be a great and important litter for the breed today.

In 2009 when I had come to pick up Mona Radov dvor together with Margo, we found Iran in horrible body condition, he was going to be euthanazied in the next day, because it was an old dog which no one wanted to use because he is ugly, small and non-titled.
You all that only now know about the importance of Iran should thanks Margo for he be still alive, thanks God we had at that time people who know about lines and knew the huge importance of the ugly Iran to the breeding, because in his 11 years living in europe only a small ammount of people cared for his importance, and used him even under the critic of some "breeders".
Why to brazil? Well, at this side of ocean we have some people who know the importance of certain lines, and if his line is important no one cares for his show titles or even his appearence, only the basic turns important what is health and tipicity.
We have about 13 dogs in Brazil, we plan mate Iran at least with Mona Radov dvor and Aiyra Taura Berá and freeze his semen for future use in 4 or 6 year, I only hope that "the old one" will be able to do it all.
But dont worrie, there are still some very interesting offsprings of Iran in europe, as I & H Radov dvor, or C Spod Dumbiera, also as K z Peronowki and L Girios Dvasia , you can perfectly find them and use.

Ah, who told you that Margo SOLD him to Brazil? He was adopted!

But out of breeding and lines, here he have something he never had, a family.

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Paula is writing from "(poor) quality of the breed.... Not long ago everybody was claiming and confirming what healthy breed csw is?!

Because breeding is not ONLY health results, it's also body tipicity, behaviour and future sight for bloodlines selection, and is that what is missing, our talk about Iran only confirms it.
When we talk about breed selection, it's for nothing you breed a free HD, ED and DM dog with not tipical body, unable to move like a CzW should, then, unable to work using his endurance and agility, it's not select the breed.
We can meet several GSD's free of diseases, while he is not able to run over 20km without feel because his body constitution does not help, it's an exemple not far from what we can meet today with CzW.

Originally Posted by Hanninadina

It makes no sense to export an important dog like Iran to Brasil

Far away countries should receive only the garbage as it will be a "lost dog" for sure, it's the main thinking of some breeders, as it's far away you can destruct the quality of the dogs there, it's far, it's not your problem.
Quite unfair isn't it?
I'm happy that I've meet some people who does not think that simple, they think in the breed itself, and they will not consider the place where the person lives, but the fact that this person will select and work for the breed.
Distance today is not a problem, as I've bring my dogs from Europe, european people can bring back dogs from America.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

But out of breeding and lines, here he have something he never had, a family.

If this is true, this is perhaps the best thing to happen with Iran... not breeding, as you say.

[hanninadina]

I hope Iran will stay there after Wolvin, Margo ....

You did get me wrong. Of course you should get the best dogs because you are starting with the breed there. No the point was that some people were "complaining" that it is to much only the line of Rep. So if people like Margo knows that Iran is important it would make more sence that more people could use him over here.

I myself would never take him. I am simple, wolfy looking, healthy and for the most friendly and none aggressive but people loving and strong character, so I could take my dogs everywhere without stressing them. Indeed Iran is to small from my point of view. But I know that offspring can be bigger of course, like the grandpa of my pups was, 64,5 cm and now the pups are 70 cm the females and from 72 - 74 cm the males, but in athletic conditions, long wolfy legs, big and wide wolfy heads, but friendly as a Golden Retriver and people loving all over. So that would not be the point not to take him. To be honest, I my self am not so into in the lines. For me it is only important not to do inbreeding!

We had in germany some small litter due to inbreeding. I can not understand why people are risking the health of the csw population. It is crazy.

So good luck to you and lots of fun for Iran in Brasil.

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

In 2009 when I had come to pick up Mona Radov dvor together with Margo, we found Iran in horrible body condition, he was going to be euthanazied in the next day, because it was an old dog which no one wanted to use because he is ugly, small and non-titled.

people are really stupid ..... just to have in reference of the dog show results, and to stop just with one defect, in this case size…

Cheer to have recovered Iran!!!

For my part, I already for some time reflected to use Iran, now it is in Brazil , very long travel .

very good idea to make freeze his semen !!!

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by martiou07

people are really stupid ..... just to have in reference of the dog show results, and to stop just with one defect, in this case size…

Cheer to have recovered Iran!!!

For my part, I already for some time reflected to use Iran, now it is in Brazil , very long travel .

very good idea to make freeze his semen !!!

yes, now in Europa are ONE reproductor who have Iran's blood, and he live in Lithuania