Typical temperament of CsWs

jefta · 23-11-2010, 16:25

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Originally Posted by wolfin

hmm forgot and few worts about wolfdogs temperament say

I really want to read more about good wolfdog temperament

For me, as beginner, Gisu have many good points in some components of temperament which are lost in the breed and make wolfdog temperament so poor as this is now. No, I don't think that he is perfect but valuable

michaelundinaeichhorn · 23-11-2010, 16:28

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Originally Posted by jefta

For me, as beginner, Gisu have many good points in some components of temperament which are lost in the breed and make wolfdog temperament so poor as this is now.

What do you mean by this?

Ina

jasmine · 23-11-2010, 16:30

ahhh he is handable, touchable, not agressive and not dominant, stabil , calm and open dog.
He is easy handle male, easy to live together with him .

Never worth caracter !

z Peronówki · 23-11-2010, 16:38

Breed standard of Czechoslovakian Wolfdog:

BEHAVIOUR AND TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, persistent, obedient, with quick reactions, fearless and courageous. Mistrustful. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses.

jefta · 23-11-2010, 16:53

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BEHAVIOUR AND TEMPERAMENT:
obedient, fearless and courageous. Mistrustful. Versatile in his uses

there are stamp of temperament which are (in my opinion) lost in the breed. There of them Gisu present on high level.

wolfin · 23-11-2010, 16:58

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Originally Posted by jefta

there are stamp of temperament which are (in my opinion) lost in the breed. There of them Gisu present on high level.

You can make with Gisu or this type behavior dogs IPO? or not can?

Ina, se moore dogs and compare this dogs in behavior.
yes this is realy new problem- activ and passive temperament. to big problem in working breed.

jasmine · 23-11-2010, 17:01

IPO? you write this than a lot of csw would have IPO exam????!!!!
Daiva,
There are life out of IPO as well

What is about your dogs ????

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wolfin · 23-11-2010, 17:02

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Originally Posted by jasmine

IPO? you write this than a lot of csw would have IPO exam????!!!!
Daiva,
There are life out of IPO as well

What is about your dogs ????

Edit

i not see question about me dogs

Morian · 23-11-2010, 17:08

for me the main question is for what? people usually choose dominant dogs for work. and a calm one... eee... for shows? for life as a companion? sorry, i don't have calm wolfdogs, so i can't know it. but it seems we all have forgotten about main purposes of the breed.
we have topic now at russian forum where people say that they heard from some experts that it's normal for csv to be shy etc. sad, very sad.
we all are free to have our own preferences, but then there must be no mention about standard

z Peronówki · 23-11-2010, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Morian

for me the main question is for what? people usually choose dominant dogs for work. and a calm one... eee... for shows? for life as a companion? sorry, i don't have calm wolfdogs, so i can't know it. but it seems we all have forgotten about main purposes of the breed.

Exactly!!! Words "lively", "very active", "with quick reactions", "fearless", "courageous" and "mistrustful" which were put in the standard eliminate very calm and "slow" dogs as not typical for this breed.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 23-11-2010, 17:15

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Originally Posted by wolfin

Ina, se moore dogs and compare this dogs in behavior.
yes this is realy new problem- activ and passive temperament. to big problem in working breed.

Daiva, I am quite sure that I have seen at least as many dogs as you have, I simply haven´t seen this dog. And I am into CSW since I think about 13 years.
And no, I haven´t seen any dog too passive to be worked but some dogs too active to work anything else but the short sequences of IPO and too active to be proper family dogs. And being not only a vet but also a professional trainer and behaviourist I see much more problems there. Though not a real problem in general with this breed. To be honest I think the charakter has improved a lot in this time and several officials have told us the same opinion.

Times have changed, dogs are kept differently than in military times, society requests other dog-types and people that work their dogs are not only in IPO any longer.
And I don´t want to start the work/sport - discussion again anyway.

z Peronówki · 23-11-2010, 17:28

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Daiva, I am quite sure that I have seen at least as many dogs as you have, I simply haven´t seen this dog. And I am into CSW since I think about 13 years.

I also didn't saw them for years.... They never appeared before....
There was always the problem with too heavy dogs which were too lazy to move...

But it was caused by the type such dogs represented - lymphatic dogs tend to be slow and flegmatic.

But since some time there are more and more cases of "Saarloos alike" character by Czechoslovakian Woldogs. There is sojmetimes really no difference between better socialized Saarloos wolfhonds and some CzWs I've seen. Both are... I would not say "friendly" but "indifferent". The behave similar to the dogs which get calming drugs (but I'm 100% that the owners do not gave them any drugs!).
And I know such dogs appeared in different countries...

jefta · 23-11-2010, 17:51

In standard we have 2 lines descripcion of so broad topic. What is utility of csv? We have two exams: SVP which don't test behavior and IPO which is to difficult because need's good drive and eliminate shy dogs.

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Originally Posted by wolfin

You can make with Gisu or this type behavior dogs IPO? or not can?

I have never pasted IPO. He is willing for playing, obedient, easy adapt so maybe low level of IPO...

woland77 · 23-11-2010, 20:29

I know many dogs than working in IPO and are good family dogs, off course they are most dificult than a Corgi, but they live in family with childreen, others dogs, others animal, no problem with people. From other breeds, and Czw too. I think than a breed, is a working breed, the caracter can't be change because many people want dog like a wolf, but don't want hard dog to keep. I think it is the duty of the breeder follow the standard and not follow the market demand.
For me CzW must be like standard debscrition.

Vaiva · 23-11-2010, 17:11

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Originally Posted by jefta

there are stamp of temperament which are (in my opinion) lost in the breed.

Are you sure? Sorry, I've seen very little wolfdogs in my life in fact, but the ones I see here, in Lithuania really have no problems with fears or similar

I could say that the thing you quoted are just what is so strong in wolfdogs I saw...

wolfin · 23-11-2010, 16:39

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Originally Posted by jasmine

ahhh he is handable, touchable, not agressive and not dominant, stabil , calm and open dog.
He is easy handle male, easy to live together with him .

Never worth caracter !

... sleeping temperament

very typical...

jasmine · 23-11-2010, 16:40

very typical for what ???????

Morian · 23-11-2010, 16:52

there is a mistake again in the thread's name. it must be "fight club"

michaelundinaeichhorn · 23-11-2010, 16:51

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Originally Posted by wolfin

... sleeping temperament

very typical...

Sorry I don´t know the dog - what was the reason why I asked my former question.
But I can´t see anything in Edits description that is 1. incompatible with the standart charakter-description and 2. that suggest a sleeping temperament (whatever this means).

So maybe it would be possible to explain why the temperament of the dog doesn´t fit the standart?

Ina

jasmine · 23-11-2010, 16:56

I realy don't think that Gisu's behaviour doesn't fit the standard...and I'm realy happy that he is not agressive and/or dominant like many other dogs.
He is calm...sometimes too calm .
But for me much more acceptable this kind of behaviour than agressivity....(and I could write examples but I don't want to be personal....)

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23-11-2010, 16:38	#4
z Peronówki VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Późna Posts: 6,996	Breed standard of Czechoslovakian Wolfdog: BEHAVIOUR AND TEMPERAMENT: Lively, very active, persistent, obedient, with quick reactions, fearless and courageous. Mistrustful. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses. __________________ . 'Z PERONÓWKI' FACEBOOK GROUP

23-11-2010, 17:08	#9
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	for me the main question is for what? people usually choose dominant dogs for work. and a calm one... eee... for shows? for life as a companion? sorry, i don't have calm wolfdogs, so i can't know it. but it seems we all have forgotten about main purposes of the breed. we have topic now at russian forum where people say that they heard from some experts that it's normal for csv to be shy etc. sad, very sad. we all are free to have our own preferences, but then there must be no mention about standard __________________

23-11-2010, 16:52	#18
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	there is a mistake again in the thread's name. it must be "fight club" __________________

23-11-2010, 16:30	#3
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	ahhh he is handable, touchable, not agressive and not dominant, stabil , calm and open dog. He is easy handle male, easy to live together with him . Never worth caracter !

23-11-2010, 17:01	#7
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	IPO? you write this than a lot of csw would have IPO exam????!!!! Daiva, There are life out of IPO as well What is about your dogs ???? Edit

23-11-2010, 20:29	#14
woland77 Gran figl de putt Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,638	I know many dogs than working in IPO and are good family dogs, off course they are most dificult than a Corgi, but they live in family with childreen, others dogs, others animal, no problem with people. From other breeds, and Czw too. I think than a breed, is a working breed, the caracter can't be change because many people want dog like a wolf, but don't want hard dog to keep. I think it is the duty of the breeder follow the standard and not follow the market demand. For me CzW must be like standard debscrition.

23-11-2010, 16:40	#17
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	very typical for what ???????

23-11-2010, 16:56	#20
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	I realy don't think that Gisu's behaviour doesn't fit the standard...and I'm realy happy that he is not agressive and/or dominant like many other dogs. He is calm...sometimes too calm . But for me much more acceptable this kind of behaviour than agressivity....(and I could write examples but I don't want to be personal....) Edit