Crying Wolf: litter of sterilized female?

[Pavel]

I read this thread and again and again am sure, that never buy any CsW with any ancestor from countries, which have no rules for breeding. Is many puppy mills and I must say, that am include to this group Edit's kenel as well. Breeding without rules is a cancer, which destroy a breed of our beautiful dogs.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Pavel

I read this thread and again and again am sure, that never buy any CsW with any ancestor from countries, which have no rules for breeding. Is many puppy mills and I must say, that am include to this group Edit's kenel as well. Breeding without rules is a cancer, which destroy a breed of our beautiful dogs.

I understand what you're saying here.. it is this way in the USA. There are no requirements for health testing, maximum litters, minimum/maximum age, or titling. There isn't any requirement to get your dog vet care besides having to have rabies shot. It is not illegal in some states to shoot and kill your dog, as long as that's not considered torture. Mills routinely take their 'old stock' to the vet to be put to sleep, or sometimes do it at home with a gun. Maybe if the dogs are lucky, they will be dumped at a shelter, or maybe sold at an auction so other millers can use them again.

It's not just laws about breeding, basically there aren't strong laws for keeping dogs at all here.

Indeed I think that probably more than 90% of dogs brought and sold in the USA are from some type of mill as sold through a pet shop like a chair, or small 'backyard breeder'. What is called a Backyard Breeder means a person who isn't interested in the entire breed, just likes to breed their 1 or 2 or 3 dogs together with neighbor's dog, or owned stud dog, with no care for standards or health. You can even breed non-registered dogs, there are scam registries that will register your dog, even cross breed dog, and almost nobody cares or knows the difference.

But even still, I think it's a little unfair to say that there are NO good breeders in this country.. it takes a lot of digging and a lot of looking, lots of questions. Then maybe, you can find one.

I'm sorry this is so off topic, but it's the truth.. the more I find out about some European standards and laws for breeding and animal keeping, the more awed I am. Unfortunately in many parts of the world, animal keeping is not like that, but yet I think it is possible although difficult to find an acceptable breeder here.

For this reason I completely understand why some foreign breeders who know something about USA rules don't want to send any dog to the USA..

Sorry this is so off topic again.

[Jennin Lauma]

Originally Posted by Pavel

I read this thread and again and again am sure, that never buy any CsW with any ancestor from countries, which have no rules for breeding. Is many puppy mills and I must say, that am include to this group Edit's kenel as well. Breeding without rules is a cancer, which destroy a breed of our beautiful dogs.

I agree 100%

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Pavel

I read this thread and again and again am sure, that never buy any CsW with any ancestor from countries, which have no rules for breeding. Is many puppy mills and I must say, that am include to this group Edit's kenel as well. Breeding without rules is a cancer, which destroy a breed of our beautiful dogs.

...that is why the quality of dogs in CZ is so high??
....that is why breeders with females in CZ look for males outside CZ who are not obliged to follow breeding rules in CZ??
funniest thing is not to read your comments (i mean, you have your ideas, I respect them but of course I am far away from you in many points) but to read those who agree with you without having the faintest idea of what they are saying!!
let the comedy continue, it's so enjoyable!!
Ops...Solowolf is gone... Hurray!
but Lupis is still there ...of course...?

[Jennin Lauma]

Originally Posted by massimo

.......
but to read those who agree with you without having the faintest idea of what they are saying!!
let the comedy continue, it's so enjoyable!!

I agreed to this part:

Pavel: Breeding without rules is a cancer, which destroy a breed of our beautiful dogs.

Why do you think that many countires (Kennel Clubs) has had to make rules for registrations of many breeds? If the breeders would truly be responsible, honest & only for the good of the animals & the breeds, no such thing would be required as the Kennel Club's breeding programs against hereditary deseases and the offspring limits for "matadors" etc.
Hec... they even had to change the breed standard for few breeds, to make it harder to breeders to exaggerate the features, and make the animals suffer because of it. I think it is sick.
And whenever the simple trust towards people is not enough, some laws are needed. And I think breeding living creatures who depend on the breeders responsibility, is one of those situations when the trust is proven not enough, and some laws/rules are needed to protect the animals and the breeds.

[Jennin Lauma]

P.S. This topic is again one proof for it.