DM Testresults

massimo · 22-12-2010, 20:19

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Originally Posted by wolfin

but this female Joly and Harmonia TOO NOT go TO Production like you Oliver

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Exactly, that is why I said "should I ask it too?" considering you asked about my dogs. However the heritage of these dogs is much much wider than that of oliver...

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Originally Posted by wolfin

I think she have good owner in spain and not mas have owner in others country. And all time can about all who interesing You quest in email way. Or not.

I think we are all nice to say congratulations to the best litter in spain but maybe they should have a bit more information about health issues too.
or is this not good when we speak about certain dogs or lines and good only when we speak about others?
what is there to be afraid of? nothing I guess!
nothing to hide if we speak about the best litter in spain!

Klee is carrier, so, there are chances that Kay could be too, and I am curious to know about Enor.
All is important, bloodline, Hd, Good blood, bonitation, Elbows and now we know also DMA is important.

I think it is time to be more objective when speaking about litters and not always attacking the usual breeders becuase we don't like them.

New owners should be aware of what they are paying for.
This applies to others and also to myself, if a breeder is honest, and I am sure Tuky is a very very honest person and has been informed by his breeders about these problems and will do the same.

wolfin · 22-12-2010, 20:21

they can be who be but this are THE best litter in Spain

p.s. do You have permission from K-lee owner to publishe this results in all forums posts?
Sarka one time publishe italian dogs results and have later problems with this, for this I think better when make this owner but not friend from away

massimo · 22-12-2010, 20:51

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Originally Posted by wolfin

they can be who be but this are THE best litter in Spain

Said by the greatest expert of CLC around I guess...

wolfin · 22-12-2010, 21:00

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Originally Posted by massimo

Said by the greatest expert of CLC around I guess...

thanks for nice worts for me is VERY important nice opinion from this type like You people

massimo · 22-12-2010, 21:10

Look. It is not my intention to spoil this beautiful thread about tuky's litter.
I believe the last comments have no reason to be in the thread.
If mod wants, they can be taken off.
However i believe that my question about health and dma results of parents is appropriate and should be left.
Tuky, responsible breeder of the litter, may decide to reply yes, the dogs are tested an negative or whatever result they have, or may not reply at all.

I think it is correct to give right info to everybody, both that the litter is great (and i agree) an that the parents are tested or not for degenerative myelopathy.

wolfin · 22-12-2010, 21:12

I think she can make this ( and make ) without good people help

Rona · 22-12-2010, 20:43

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Originally Posted by massimo

Klee is carrier, so, there are chances that Kay could be too, and I am curious to know about Enor.

Are you sure about this info?

I was talking with Gia, K-lee owner, a couple of weeks ago and she told me she was planning to do the DM test in 2011. I think she even wrote this on the Polish forum the other day.

Not knowing if K-lee is a carrier or not, her owners who are very responsible people decided to select a DM n/n rep, just to been the safe side

massimo · 22-12-2010, 20:50

I am owner of Male who mated K-lee.
I am planning to take one puppy as studfee, so I have been informed by EWA and have been authorised to speak about it becuase, responsibly, she knew before mating that Echo is N/N.

Now that all these informations have been given to you...can I FINALLY get some relpies???
Gosh..objectivity is down the drain these days!!

Why is everybody so scared to speak up??
It seems that I make one question, I receive many other questions, I reply but I dont get any reply.

Ewa is a responsible person and did things responsibly...but I am not asking about Ewa.

Rona · 22-12-2010, 21:13

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Originally Posted by massimo

Ewa is a responsible person and did things responsibly...but I am not asking about Ewa.

But it was YOU who mentioned K-lee's DM results.

massimo · 23-12-2010, 03:01

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Originally Posted by Rona

But it was YOU who mentioned K-lee's DM results.

Rona, I very often appreciate your comments and I am surprised you do not get my intentions.
Kay is sister of K-Lee.
If K-Lee is carrier, so ALSO can be Kay.
Is this correct till now?
If you had a female who was carrier... If you could chose, what male would you use?
I can tell you what I would do.
I would use a carrier with a carrier only if he was SUPER SPECIAL to my eyes and only if it was the dog of my dreams.
BUT, I would test all puppies before selling them and I would inform the owners of the results.
I know, i am a dreamer, but here i am pictured as a witchhunter...(i think it's just because of being against the mainstream, but it's just my idea i guess)

So...to my eyes, breeding responsibly means choosing the right male for a female who is carrier.
But completely DISREGARDING the DMA means, to my eyes again, not being completely responsible.
Can somebody tell me what is wrong with this argumentation and where is the witchhunt?
I am sure Tuky is a great person, and maybe if he had more information he might have been more careful or chosen differently.
But often information doesn't flow the right direction I think.

Anyway, maybe to be better appreciated on this forum I should start writing nice things, like wow great litter and stuff like than...popularity means compromise...

wolfin · 23-12-2010, 03:04

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Originally Posted by massimo

Anyway, maybe to be better appreciated on this forum I should start writing nice things, like wow great litter and stuff like than...popularity means compromise...

why not - I see this very good are maked in italian forum

bellisiiimooo cucioooooli

can this try and in this forum too

massimo · 23-12-2010, 03:19

I will no longer reply to any further provocation from who prefers "counter-attacking" instead of replying.

This is a very interesting article posted on the Czech Club Site:
http://www.cswolfdog.cz/index.php?op...ravi&Itemid=44

And this is a bad google translation of it.
http://translate.google.it/translate...d%3D44&act=url

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And as nor Wolfdog.org or any Cs Club has DM or Dwarf as Demand for breeding (as I know) I think one can not demand info about it online

I hope and wish and wait for this to be different soon...

Information against Ignorance, health prevention against carelessness....

Rona · 23-12-2010, 08:58

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Originally Posted by massimo

If you had a female who was carrier... If you could chose, what male would you use?

Of course the DM n/n and this is not the issue.

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Originally Posted by massimo

Can somebody tell me what is wrong with this argumentation and where is the witchhunt?

I wouldn't call it witchhunt....Sorry, but I don't think it's fair to publish the results of somebody else's dog, even if it's not a secret. Knowing your usually elegant manners and class I just thought it was a kind of misunderstanding.

22-12-2010, 20:21	#2
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	they can be who be but this are THE best litter in Spain p.s. do You have permission from K-lee owner to publishe this results in all forums posts? Sarka one time publishe italian dogs results and have later problems with this, for this I think better when make this owner but not friend from away __________________

22-12-2010, 21:10	#5
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	Look. It is not my intention to spoil this beautiful thread about tuky's litter. I believe the last comments have no reason to be in the thread. If mod wants, they can be taken off. However i believe that my question about health and dma results of parents is appropriate and should be left. Tuky, responsible breeder of the litter, may decide to reply yes, the dogs are tested an negative or whatever result they have, or may not reply at all. I think it is correct to give right info to everybody, both that the litter is great (and i agree) an that the parents are tested or not for degenerative myelopathy. __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

22-12-2010, 21:12	#6
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	I think she can make this ( and make ) without good people help __________________

22-12-2010, 20:50	#8
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	I am owner of Male who mated K-lee. I am planning to take one puppy as studfee, so I have been informed by EWA and have been authorised to speak about it becuase, responsibly, she knew before mating that Echo is N/N. Now that all these informations have been given to you...can I FINALLY get some relpies??? Gosh..objectivity is down the drain these days!! Why is everybody so scared to speak up?? It seems that I make one question, I receive many other questions, I reply but I dont get any reply. Ewa is a responsible person and did things responsibly...but I am not asking about Ewa. __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica