CLC mixes in France and Finland (subject on French forum)

[lupis]

Originally Posted by lupis

on breeder page you can see wolf of who is mother of litter and you can see alone it is same look and 100 percent same family.

you will not see because today breeder Wolfsirus after my post delete all photos of mother wolf of she fake litter.
maybe someone has copy?

I want to say only to Wolfsirius breeder: now everybody know 100percent that you are cheater because other case you have no reason to delete all your photos with your wolf.
now i understand why you are so shy - is because Wolfsirius Dakota is 100percent copy of your wolf female and is not czech wolfdog but mix. and finish pedigree is fake!
and you litter is 100percent fake litter too with fake papers.

thank you for making all people sure

[hanninadina]

Lupis, if you saw a wolf on wolfsirus website why the hell did you not copy it?

I do not believe you a word. You are a virtual master of desaster. Nobody knows your real name, where you live and if you have a csw, wolfdog or wolf. Or did you mentioned it in the last month?

Christian

[mijke]

Cheating was/is common in horse world. Like it also did become more and more common in dog world when somebody could earn money with this . (show, export)

A lot of breeders will cheat for money...

And there are unfortunately also veterinarians who will do a lot for money... give big breeders signed health certificates before a litter is born, change chips, make secret teeth reconstructions, give wrong info about identity .... (and these things are really not only rumors!!)

Why somebody is surprised when all this horrible things also are happening in wolfdog world?

But personal I don't want to blame any specific breeder, nor I want deny any message of unknown member on this forum ....

I only can advice: think, be alert, always compare with standard of a breed, open your eyes and ears for other opinions, and make your own conclusions and opinions

[fenris]

Is this the reason why several large kennels that produce prolific numbers of puppies each year are taken out of the "Breeders Listing" on this page? Like Wolfsirius (Finland), Louba-Tar (France), Louve Blanche (France) and Passo Del Lupo (Italy)...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by fenris

Is this the reason why several large kennels that produce prolific numbers of puppies each year are taken out of the "Breeders Listing" on this page? Like Wolfsirius (Finland), Louba-Tar (France), Louve Blanche (France) and Passo Del Lupo (Italy)...

Or, maybe because they do not put up any photos, which is a demand to bee on the Breeders Listing ?

Very best regards / Mikael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by fenris

Wolfsirius (Finland), Louba-Tar (France), Louve Blanche (France) and Passo Del Lupo (Italy)...

Dear Fenris,

you named them (nearly...) all.

Michael

[admin]

Originally Posted by fenris

Is this the reason why several large kennels that produce prolific numbers of puppies each year are taken out of the "Breeders Listing" on this page? Like Wolfsirius (Finland), Louba-Tar (France), Louve Blanche (France) and Passo Del Lupo (Italy)...

Yes - they were removed because on the list we post only breeders which work on Wolfdog.org. This site base on reciprocal help - breeders help us to builds the database. We help the breeders to advertise their kennels on different ways.

If a breeder want only to use Wolfdog for selling the puppies but gives nothing back (do not send the information) it gets removed.

It apply for all the kennels listed here with one exception: Passo del Lupo. This kennel was removed because it is breeding mutts (non breeds - not purebreed Wolfdogs) - such kennel are also not listed on Wolfdog.org.

[z Peronówki]

One more fraud made by the Finish President of the CzW Club - one more illegal litter made and registered in Finland...
http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...961%2F14&R=332
(litter of mixes with false pedigrees - puppies registered and chiped first 6 months after they are born)
I'm curious when the police will start investigation also there...since the Finish Kennel Club is unable to solve this problem with violation of the FCI regulations....

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by mijke

I only can advice: think, be alert, always compare with standard of a breed, open your eyes and ears for other opinions, and make your own conclusions and opinions

Yes, of course... But what if one makes a mistake

And what will we do in 30 years when there are mixes in almost every line... I think we must ackt NOW, and get FCI to demand DNA verification !

For me they can mix breed al they want, just do not register the dogs are PUREBREED !!!

Very best regards / Mikael

[mijke]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes, of course... But what if one makes a mistake

And what will we do in 30 years when there are mixes in almost every line... I think we must ackt NOW, and get FCI to demand DNA verification !

For me they can mix breed al they want, just do not register the dogs are PUREBREED !!!

Very best regards / Mikael

I am a big supporter of DNA registration of every dog in all breeds!
But.... when (like in my country) every owner can send a swab of their dog for this, it is not of any use for me personal...
So it would be GREAT if FCI would demand DNA verification of a dog of an independant veterinarian of every dog

Because I also know "big breeders" have mostly a "special relationship" with their vet.. I would prefer that FCI and every national breeding organisation would make an agreement for all countries with vets who are alowed to check identity and make the identification

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by mijke

I am a big supporter of DNA registration of every dog in all breeds!
But.... when (like in my country) every owner can send a swab of their dog for this, it is not of any use for me personal...
So it would be GREAT if FCI would demand DNA verification of a dog of an independant veterinarian of every dog

Because I also know "big breeders" have mostly a "special relationship" with their vet.. I would prefer that FCI and every national breeding organisation would make an agreement for all countries with vets who are alowed to check identity and make the identification

Yes, that is a problem to I think...

I will do my DNA verification by blood at the Swedish Board of Agriculture, District Veterinary Owner is Swedish Government

And, Nop I do not know them at all

Best regards / Mikael

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by mijke

I am a big supporter of DNA registration of every dog in all breeds!
But.... when (like in my country) every owner can send a swab of their dog for this, it is not of any use for me personal...
So it would be GREAT if FCI would demand DNA verification of a dog of an independant veterinarian of every dog

Because I also know "big breeders" have mostly a "special relationship" with their vet.. I would prefer that FCI and every national breeding organisation would make an agreement for all countries with vets who are alowed to check identity and make the identification

It's the same for DNA testing in the US - and puppies don't have to be tested, only imported dogs (however, AKC can make random visits to breeders and do DNA tests on any dogs at the facility, but this is very, very rare). I wish the FCI would follow your "orders" above, and require the AKC to do the same in order to continue their reciprocity agreement. Things could get very bad for the breed if mixes were ever created/imported here, and we achieved full recognition.

[martiou07]

for my part, being right a small breeding family; idea of tests DNA, I ever was frankly for because I am the quiet aware, however it appears as an obviousness that we must turn to this option henceforth…

For France, idea of obligatory test DNA, I believe unfortunately that this is not for tomorrow............