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Originalmente publicado por chloé

Merci pour les explications je n'avais pas compris non plus l'histoire des chiots roux. Mais si on prends en compte les criteres morpho du masque, couleur des yeux ect alors il y a beaucoup de mix saarloos, car beaucoup ont ces caracteristiques mon chien à lui meme les yeux jaune pourtant pas marqué mix, ne serait ce pas tout simplement des genes qui ressorte mais pas forcement de saarloos, car les deux races sont fondés à peu pres à partir des meme croisements(loup et ba)

No - it is only oficial "bla bla". The DNA tests made in Czech Republic have proven that Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs are crosses of GSD and European Wolf. But Saarloos NOT. They are not real Wolfdogs (for sure not crosses of European Wolves and GSD) but mix of different /unknown) breeds. It is why you can meet by them the red Husky colour.

Originalmente publicado por chloé

je vous crois mais certains eleveurs font du ba couleur foie pourquoi un jour ça ne ressortirais pas sur un clt pur, si ça sort en ba c'est bien que ce gene existe dans le ba et qu'il peut etre transmit

Again - NO. The red color do not exist by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. And its appearance shows that so other breeds has been mixes there. The same apply to the black dogs which appear in France - some CsW are darker (dark grey) but in France you can see almost black Wolfdogs. This color also do not exist by PURE Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and was NEVER present by Crying Wolf.

It is told that the mixes "comes" from Crying Wolf lines but it is not true. In fact Crying Wolf is "clear" - I already was informed from different sources that
even the CW breeder doubt about the pedigrees of the French offsprings of her dogs living in France. Instead of being "proud" for such "nice dogs" she is in public saying that for her the dogs are mixes with other dogs/breeds - they are not pure Crying Wolf offsprings. What can be the best prove for you that something is wrong here.

For people who see no differences - you can compare the mixes (dogs mentioned as mixes) with the dogs coming from de la Mollyniere de Lo'Scale kennel. This breeder use the same lines, the same blood but her dogs are TOTALLY different. Why? Please do not try to say that Lorry is a bad breeder because she was not able to breed such "nice wolfish dogs" because the fact is that she is exactly the HONEST breeder. Only she has REAL - PUREBREED Crying Wolf offsprings. Her dogs show the characteristics of this line and are similar to other dogs coming from CW-kennel.

The "red" and "black" wolfdogs bred by other breeders are not like this (even if according the pedigree they are Crying Wolf offsprings) - they are totally different. Maybe there is a small amount of CW blood inside - but the rest comes from other breeds (Saarloos, Husky, Malamute, GSD, American Wolfdog or whatever)