Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

Rona · 02-06-2011, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Jet

1) This Puppy is red, (and beautifull).
2) DNA proof show us that he is coming by Sibir x Thalia
3) Sibir and Thalia are not MIX and pure CSW, from a great CSW breeder

==> So we have now a new colour line... You just have to change the CSW Standard ...

Why looking for complicated issues?

Are you joking?

GalomyOak · 02-06-2011, 12:09

How did the red color come to be in the Saarloos? Aren't they also crosses of GSD and wolf?

Hanka · 02-06-2011, 12:43

Hmm,we can continue with this thread to new and new levels. I think in French is more of csw mix (with wolves too), I don´t mean kennel of Lorry, I am sure these mix will be on World show in French too.....What will be if these dogs with csw pedigree will winn? Breeders will mate with them, we will have mixes in much of next pups.......
Will we do DNA tests of all breeding wolfdogs in all world? When we will beggin with tests? (because now is late, we have mixes with csw pedigree)........
This is big problem and I think we can do nothing agains it.....

Dayen · 02-06-2011, 13:20

I press my fingers for Lorry, to found out why she has brown pigmented puppies. And I hope for calm and reasonable solution of everything.

Think about the CSW. Any speculations without proofs about many mixes harm the reputation of the breed.

I would like to believe in mutation, it would be great.
But as I wrote before, I think the mutation would be here much sooner.
But please, remember, even if there is SAV or anything else, we all know what craziness our dear pets are able to do because of the mating.

Let's calm down at this level, until we get some new proofs from Lorry. We talked a lot about genetics and many important and helping things were said.
Now, the next step should be done elsewhere and I hope, for the sake of my beloved breed, that this discussion will wait for proofs.

Lorry - MLS · 02-06-2011, 13:37

If it can get things done quickly, I am ready to scan licenses genetic Sibir, Thalia, and Rambo (do not forget that Rambo has the same father as Sibir)

- Maybe, Daniela will determine if there Saarloos in these 3 dogs ?
- Maybe, she can determine that Rambo is the brother of Sibir
(if not her brother, we can already get a more real things)

What amazes me still, in a subject if burning is that neither the owner Galiba nor the breeder of Sibir and Thalia, do not take the trouble to explain what might be happening ?

The hyposthèse a projection with an accidental Saarloos, is not a shame ..... Why not come and talk openly .... I know ..... this is the minimum ......

Because among all the MIX which already been accused (by inventing outright lines) and true MIX looming on the horizon, we will of course add me, I'll have you know my breeding becomes the shame of France's !....

Hanka · 02-06-2011, 13:43

Lorry, it is not your mistake. I wish more breeders like you are...........We are ready to help you with all what is possible.

saschia · 02-06-2011, 13:56

I would really like to see a reaction from Edit and the owner of Galiba. Things happen and not always are the fault of the breeder, but in that case the breeder should be open about it and help solve the problem.

Lorry, you have my full support and I think I speak for more of us when I say that we are grateful that you spoke about the trouble (and I am sorry that you had this problem in the first place).
Shame is not making mistake, shame is when somebody lies about it (even if somebody lies about somebody else's mistake). I hope you will get a good solution for this problem.

martiou07 · 02-06-2011, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Lorry - MLS

Because among all the MIX which already been accused (by inventing outright lines) and true MIX looming on the horizon, we will of course add me, I'll have you know my breeding becomes the shame of France's !....

a thing of sure Lorry, we are not friendly, but you do certainly not be the shame of the French breedings, you speak about this problem whereas much would have hidden that…. now if you can to us poster various photographs of these dogs which you had, that would be very interesting. like seeing their evolution…

z Peronówki · 02-06-2011, 13:58

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Originally Posted by GalomyOak

How did the red color come to be in the Saarloos? Aren't they also crosses of GSD and wolf?

No. In the fact they are mixes of different breeds and accoridng to different sources also nordic breeds (husky or malamute) are involed. They are "Wolfdogs" only on the paper.

Jet · 02-06-2011, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Rona

Are you joking?

Yes... But sometimes, stupid ideas can reveal a better way, the only hope is to find a way to resolve this problem.

French breeders ar not in quiet position. It is not easy for them to find a way, because their job is to sell us Puppies. They are inside the problem.

So us, simple owners as me, we are just the end of the chain, outside. So we ask you, in this universal forum, to do something. To help our clean Breeders as Nadia and Lorry, to get out them this witch hunt.

Rona · 02-06-2011, 14:35

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Originally Posted by Jet

So us, simple owners as me, we are just the end of the chain, outside. So we ask you, in this universal forum, to do something. To help our clean Breeders as Nadia and Lorry, to get out them this witch hunt.

I fully agree with you: being just a "simple" owner helps keep the right perspective to dog issues

My French is not good enough to follow the discussion on the French forum, but I don't see any witch-hunt here. On the contrary, people are trying to brainstorm possible reasons of this 'anomaly' and are grateful to Lorry for bringing out into light a problem that can eventually save the breed!

There is a saying: 'If someone doesn't know how to behave, he should behave decently'. IMHO it's very relevant here!

02-06-2011, 12:09	#2
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	How did the red color come to be in the Saarloos? Aren't they also crosses of GSD and wolf? __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

02-06-2011, 13:20	#4
Dayen Not so Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brno Posts: 202	I press my fingers for Lorry, to found out why she has brown pigmented puppies. And I hope for calm and reasonable solution of everything. Think about the CSW. Any speculations without proofs about many mixes harm the reputation of the breed. I would like to believe in mutation, it would be great. But as I wrote before, I think the mutation would be here much sooner. But please, remember, even if there is SAV or anything else, we all know what craziness our dear pets are able to do because of the mating. Let's calm down at this level, until we get some new proofs from Lorry. We talked a lot about genetics and many important and helping things were said. Now, the next step should be done elsewhere and I hope, for the sake of my beloved breed, that this discussion will wait for proofs. __________________ In wildness is the preservation of the world... So seek the wolf in thyself www.wolfdog.name

02-06-2011, 13:56	#7
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	I would really like to see a reaction from Edit and the owner of Galiba. Things happen and not always are the fault of the breeder, but in that case the breeder should be open about it and help solve the problem. Lorry, you have my full support and I think I speak for more of us when I say that we are grateful that you spoke about the trouble (and I am sorry that you had this problem in the first place). Shame is not making mistake, shame is when somebody lies about it (even if somebody lies about somebody else's mistake). I hope you will get a good solution for this problem. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

02-06-2011, 12:43	#3
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hmm,we can continue with this thread to new and new levels. I think in French is more of csw mix (with wolves too), I don´t mean kennel of Lorry, I am sure these mix will be on World show in French too.....What will be if these dogs with csw pedigree will winn? Breeders will mate with them, we will have mixes in much of next pups....... Will we do DNA tests of all breeding wolfdogs in all world? When we will beggin with tests? (because now is late, we have mixes with csw pedigree)........ This is big problem and I think we can do nothing agains it.....

02-06-2011, 13:37	#5
Lorry - MLS Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 988	If it can get things done quickly, I am ready to scan licenses genetic Sibir, Thalia, and Rambo (do not forget that Rambo has the same father as Sibir) - Maybe, Daniela will determine if there Saarloos in these 3 dogs ? - Maybe, she can determine that Rambo is the brother of Sibir (if not her brother, we can already get a more real things) What amazes me still, in a subject if burning is that neither the owner Galiba nor the breeder of Sibir and Thalia, do not take the trouble to explain what might be happening ? The hyposthèse a projection with an accidental Saarloos, is not a shame ..... Why not come and talk openly .... I know ..... this is the minimum ...... Because among all the MIX which already been accused (by inventing outright lines) and true MIX looming on the horizon, we will of course add me, I'll have you know my breeding becomes the shame of France's !....

02-06-2011, 13:43	#6
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Lorry, it is not your mistake. I wish more breeders like you are...........We are ready to help you with all what is possible.