Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

[draggar]

Originally Posted by Admin

It is also my question - if Flash was by Sonia for the whole time of heat the problem is solved. If she was only covered by Issar and the Crying Wolf breeder took Flash back to her kennel - I have my doubts. The cages by CW seems to be in a very bad condition. I'm sure it is very easy for Wolfdogs to break out.

So Sonia / Sona is the kennel where Issar and Flash were bred?

I really have no idea- Something seems to be wrong - I hope it will be cleared and the problem will be solved.

I do to, the whole future of "American lined" CSVs are at stake here. Pollux is a very good looking dog and his temperament isn't as much of a factor (being the male) since typically 75% of the temperament comes from the mother (and raising).

If he's a mix we'd need to know ASAP but I think right now my wife has decided to not use him in any breeding for now until more facts come out.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by draggar

I do to, the whole future of "American lined" CSVs are at stake here. Pollux is a very good looking dog and his temperament isn't as much of a factor (being the male) since typically 75% of the temperament comes from the mother (and raising).

If he's a mix we'd need to know ASAP but I think right now my wife has decided to not use him in any breeding for now until more facts come out.

Really, I don't even know you or have anything against you, but when you write things like this I really have to wonder why you must use such assumptions and superlatives. I highly doubt that the "whole future" of American lined CsVs are "at stake" because of one imported dog which is not even yours to make breeding decisions with.

Pollux is a very good looking dog to you, which is normal of every co/owner to think their dog looks very good.. but why even think about possibly breeding him or his possible influence on the future when dogs without temperament issues can be imported? Those without questions of pedigree or coming from such an uncooperative kennel. His blood isn't especially rare. Why not just enjoy him as a happy pet, or find him a nice pet home if you're rehoming him, and be happy with that?

PS. It's ridiculous to say that fathers' temperament matters less than mothers'.

[draggar]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Really, I don't even know you or have anything against you, but when you write things like this I really have to wonder why you must use such assumptions and superlatives. I highly doubt that the "whole future" of American lined CsVs are "at stake" because of one imported dog which is not even yours to make breeding decisions with.

Pollux is a very good looking dog to you, which is normal of every co/owner to think their dog looks very good.. but why even think about possibly breeding him or his possible influence on the future when dogs without temperament issues can be imported? Those without questions of pedigree or coming from such an uncooperative kennel. His blood isn't especially rare. Why not just enjoy him as a happy pet, or find him a nice pet home if you're rehoming him, and be happy with that?

PS. It's ridiculous to say that fathers' temperament matters less than mothers'.

The gene pool in the USA is so small that every dog that is considered for breeding has the potential to have a large impact down the line.

Its also not just one dog, Pollux's sister (Partha) is in the USA also plus there are people in Mexico who have quite a few Crying Wolf dogs, maybe in Canada, too.

As for Pollux's temperament, the issues are environmental. He had a horrible trip here to the USA when he was very young (fear period?). Add on the severe neglect he got when he came here (he was kept in an outdoor kennel most of the time). I've seen the "real" Pollux come out and he's a great dog.

As for the mother / father temperament thing, it is safe to say a puppy's temperament is 50% genetic and 50% environmental. The genetic part is easy, statistically 25% will be from the mother and 25% will be from the father. Now, what about the environment? Who raises the puppies from the minute they are born? The mother. You can take a pretty good guess that close to 100% of the environmental temperament will be from the mother. I've seen mother / puppy training at work and when you whelp a litter of puppies you can see the genetic come out in the first day or two but over time a good mother will work with them, you rarely see the father work with the puppies because most of the time they are not from the same breeder as where the puppies were whelped.

As for Pollux being a breeding stud, that's still up in the air. This thread has made us seriously reconsider it (actually more than that, we're pretty much on the "no" side now). But, there are many other factors, hips, elbows, also the DM consideration, etc.