World Dog Show 2011

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Morian

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many dogs are out of standart as minimum in behavior, did anybody see disqualification?

They havent disqualified even a completetely atipical dog like the mixes who were there. We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun.
I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

They havent disqualified even a completetely atipical dog like the mixes who were there. We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun.
I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing.

True, but up to now I believed dogs in dog shows were made to be at least trained to be presentable..... Never mind type..

[Silvester]

Originally posted by Nebulosa:

"We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun."

Yeah, in principle, I agree to you - if these shows are not judged by a special judge for our race , I would like to add ! Sure, also special judges are not Jesus Christ and they can make mistakes ... But that can not be compared in any way to the results of dogshows which are judged by "non-specialists"! ( As we all are able to see .)

Originally posted by Nebulosa:

"I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing."

But what else can you choose to show the quality of your dog ?

There is no test on abilities and working quality at the moment , what is NEEDED to be made for Cwd ....and that´s a big mistake I think.

The 40km or 100 km test CAN be made but it need not be - as we all know. And even that would show only some physical qualities of the dogs but not the working abilities.

So what people can do , if they want to show their dogs quality??

In fact there are ONLY the show -results at the moment ... yeah, that´s a pity, no question !

May be the bonitation codes and the hd- results are a little more serious and tell more about the dog - but how many dogs have both ? So it should be a MUST that you have let made both for your dog before going to a show and before it´s possible to tell even anything about quality...!

Best greetings to Brazil, Uli alias Silvester

[woland77]

Many of those dogs have behavior test named TAN....what is this test???

dog like Wolwerine , which has more than fear, unease expressed by behaviors and postures quite different than other dogs (no dog behaviors and postures), how can you pass the test?

[hanninadina]

I am wondering about people like Uli, Eichhorn and some others. Dogshows work their whole "life" like they do now a days! There changed nothing! There were always "only" judges who judge the dogs. Some of them are special judges to a special breed but not necessarily they do the judgement during a world dog show or dog show!

And everybody who takes part or took part at a dog show knows that a dog mostly beahve different during each different show. Only these dogs who are well ring trained and have a great performer will do similar each show. But because of different halls, dogs, weather conditions, the mood of the owner, the mood of the dog handler, the mood of the dog himself etc. makes understandable that dogs perform different.

And a dog who is presented in a small special csw dog show with let us say only 45 dogs on a peaceful green outside a city - like our shows are done in germany - and in other countries too - will react and behave totally different to a dog during a world dog show with all his action and noise!

What I wanna say, it is of course a big stuning work that a dog, his owner and the dog handler do during for example a world dog show. And it does not matter if there is a special judge or not!!! Especially the csws are character strong animals and they can show their character in these shows.

It is very simple, if you do not take part the race it is your own problem, but do not claim that such results are bad and werth nothing. This is simply not true. I saw to many dogs which should be excellent standard csws (and other breeds) who were not able to do a good show in heavily circumstances! And what should this be a good looking csw in standard if he is not able to show his presense in a big show?

Best would be to present dogs in all shows! Only this matters and would be werth. Of course I know a lot of people who are afraid that their dogs are not able to manage even a normal judge. But what is it werth, if I only go to judges, who I like and where I know before how the result will be? It is nothing werth!!!

Dogs Shows, are like it was written above, only shows!!! They are entertainment for visitors, dog owners, dogs (sometimes, lol) and judges. These are not "God" shows.

If you look on car or motorcyle raceways you will find raceways which are in very good condition and some who are in bad condition. If you wanna be a true champion, you have to be good on all conditions! Very simple, and not only in these where you all know. That is werth nothing.

So all my congratulations to winners and(!) participiants on the WW 2011 in Paris. And what is a result werth without the other participiants? Nothing! And if there are more and more participiants the result is werth even more! As someone wrote, the second biggest number of paticipiants of csws every!!! That is a word!

Christian

[Silvester]

Hey Christian !

Are you not able to see the direct contradictions in your posting ?

Or do you write without thinking about and especially without reading again after you did write something ?

[Jennin Lauma]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Dogs Shows, are like it was written above, only shows!!! They are entertainment for visitors, dog owners, dogs (sometimes, lol) and judges. These are not "God" shows.

Christian

Hi Chris,
The problem is just that to most breeders these days the dogs shows represent the most important mesurement of a dog's quality. Titles, titles, titles... that's what they are after. Nothing else matters, or if something else matters even a little, it is still compromised to show success.
And we all know where this has lead. Just look at the dog breeds (or lines in certain breeds) bred only the showing purposes in mind... they are like flowers or design sofas; -for decorative purposes to people who want to collect nice things around them and show them off to others.
Many are unhealthy both physically and mentally. To me it only looks funny and sad at the same time to watch people dragging their dogs around a small ring to some other person to pick who he/she likes best, and to claim that this has something to do with breeding better quality animals.
This has absolutely nothing to do with breeding healthier companion animals, not to mention better working dogs!

I think the dogs were healthier and happier if we would go back in time before people decided to split dogs into these closed breed populations and start showing them around to see how well some person thinks they fit into that man made standard. We used to have perfect canines for different tasks to help us, to serve us, to keep us company. Now we have sad, sick animals suffering from hereditary defects and narrow gene pool.

I think the whole dog showing system should be changed into a totally different from what it is and has been. There should only be breed specialists judging the dogs, and only a certain amount of individuals per day per judge so that there would be enough time for each individual. And the evaluation should be more thorough; not only few rounds in the ring. More value on the behaviour atleast, and more movement.

Just my honest opinion...

[r0d]

7 videos from the WDS are now available.

The link is still the same: http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

[Max Paini]

r0f and Wolfin, thank you very much to post here link of the movie, they're really appreciate.
But I have a question, due to the reason that here all are speaking of the WDS, do you think it's possible to see some movie also about that or you have only movie of the day before? They could be appreciate to!!!
Thank you

Massimiliano

[r0d]

Max Paini: i'm not sure to understand your question but i have videos from friday and saturday.
It takes lot of time to upload each videos. I have approx 4 more videos to upload and hope to do this today (if Youtube decide to be nice with me ^^)

[saschia]

Chriastian, yes, world show is a big event, but did you see the one which took place in Bratislava? You could see a lot of wolfdogs that really reacted properly - were calm but not frozen, were able to react to the judge and to the watchers. And the show was cramped, as the space in exhibition center was less than planned for, so it was not something with 45 dog on a green lawn, it was stiock-full of dogs, people, children, even the President came, so you could really say that the conditions were quite extreme.

I agree with yukidomari - the judges, even if not expert, should judge the behavior too and disquilify improper behavior, unwillingness to show teeth etc. Of course, unfortunately lot of them are too afraid to even come closer and look into the mouth ;o).