Study about when to take puppies home.

*Satu · 29-08-2011, 12:07

Finland.
Delivery earlier than 7 weeks of age. And not a day less than this, some breeders use to 12 weeks.

GalomyOak · 29-08-2011, 14:09

Like most things regarding dogs, in the US it is largely unregulated when a pup is taken from it's litter.

I hear way too many stories of "I got my puppy when it was 5 weeks old..."

The AKC gives papers within 2-3 weeks of the original application, which can be sent the day the puppies are born.

yukidomari · 29-08-2011, 18:55

Well, Kennel Club regulations are not the same thing as the law.

The KC may have a preference or advice regarding age of placement but again, that's not the same as law.

Here in the USA, many cities and counties (sometimes state-level) have regulations and statutes that make selling puppies under 8 weeks old an offense. For example, here in Los Angeles, ordinance number 181,353 says in part:

"E. Agree not to transfer a dog or cat until it has reached the age of eight weeks, has been weaned, micro-chipped, immunized against common diseases, and in the case of a dog four months of age or older, has received its rabies vaccination. Proof of the rabies and other vaccinations shall be provided to the new owner; "

Course, monitoring is lax and largely not actively enforced, mostly it's based on people calling in and reporting someone.. I have reported backyard breeders who are selling dogs under 8 weeks old. Usually they get a visit from Animal Control and a warning, though the ordinances here do give outlines for violations:

"A violation of the transfer permit provisions of this Section may be prosecuted as a misdemeanor or an infraction or punishable by means of an administrative citation. Failure to comply with the terms and conditions of the transfer permit and applicable law shall also be grounds for the revocation or suspension of the transfer permit."

Shadowlands · 29-08-2011, 19:22

There are no regulations that I know of here in Bulgaria (and even if there were, nobody would take a blind bit of notice

), but we like our pups to be at least 10 weeks old before they leave (up to date on everything, of course!)

Nebulosa · 31-08-2011, 02:25

Personally I prefer to let the owners pick up the pups when they have about 90 days old, it's hard to stay with whole litter until this age and keep working in socializing them, but what the pack teaches to the pups helps a lot the future owners. According my experience, it turns the pups much easier to teach and also to accept his hierarchy place in his new pack, it's like if the adults teach them to how to respect and also how to react to different situations envolving dogs and also people.

hanninadina · 31-08-2011, 08:37

Paula, maybe you wonder, but this is my experience too! It makes the life for the future owner much easier when puppies are raised up by their parents and maybe one, two other adults or even a yearling. And of course you are right that it is real hard stuff to have all these pups around for a longer time.

First I always thought it is better to give a wolfdog to their new place with 6 weeks and a normal dog with 7 weeks. But from their outgoing behaviour it is easier to be teached by other wolfdogs than by us the human being.

But it is almost not possible to socialize 5 - 8 pupps during this most important time of the life of a dog! I socialized 3 pups and of course for everyone of them it had been better if I had to socialize only one. Especially if a pup needs a bit more time. And with socializing I mean, driving by car, going in the city, driving train, going into the Zoo, Coffee shops, Restaurants, Bars all places where a lot of noise is and many many people. and last but not least to puppy dogschool. You need a lot of helping hands to do this.

So in the middle I would give my pupps next time not so early like 6 or 7 weeks but I would say around 10 - 12 weeks. Even bite ignition would be better because the parents teach them.

It depends in which new house they go. Do the people live in the city or in the forrest. Do they want to take their dog everywhere or only for outdoor activities. But of course you never know if this will change in future life of a pup.

Christian

Shadowlands · 31-08-2011, 17:01

You are so right Christian, it is difficult to socialise a large litter of pups to the outside world (car rides, crowds of people, traffic etc.) but what mum and the pack teach them is just as important. Finding a happy balance between the 2 is a breeder's big challenge (one of them)

yukidomari · 31-08-2011, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanninadina

So in the middle I would give my pupps next time not so early like 6 or 7 weeks but I would say around 10 - 12 weeks. Even bite ignition would be better because the parents teach them.

Christian

we purposely brought our last 3 dogs home when they were 10 weeks old, for exactly these reasons. our Vlcak puppy was still extremely bitey (very hard!!) and mouthy.... a few times he's drawn blood.. and I recall at his breeder's house, he had another puppy besides his brother, plus other adults too, to 'teach' him.

I can't imagine what it would be like to have a Vlcak puppy with even less bite inhibition should I have gotten him at 7-8 weeks..

29-08-2011, 14:09	#2
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	Like most things regarding dogs, in the US it is largely unregulated when a pup is taken from it's litter. I hear way too many stories of "I got my puppy when it was 5 weeks old..." The AKC gives papers within 2-3 weeks of the original application, which can be sent the day the puppies are born. __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

29-08-2011, 18:55	#3
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Well, Kennel Club regulations are not the same thing as the law. The KC may have a preference or advice regarding age of placement but again, that's not the same as law. Here in the USA, many cities and counties (sometimes state-level) have regulations and statutes that make selling puppies under 8 weeks old an offense. For example, here in Los Angeles, ordinance number 181,353 says in part: "E. Agree not to transfer a dog or cat until it has reached the age of eight weeks, has been weaned, micro-chipped, immunized against common diseases, and in the case of a dog four months of age or older, has received its rabies vaccination. Proof of the rabies and other vaccinations shall be provided to the new owner; " Course, monitoring is lax and largely not actively enforced, mostly it's based on people calling in and reporting someone.. I have reported backyard breeders who are selling dogs under 8 weeks old. Usually they get a visit from Animal Control and a warning, though the ordinances here do give outlines for violations: "A violation of the transfer permit provisions of this Section may be prosecuted as a misdemeanor or an infraction or punishable by means of an administrative citation. Failure to comply with the terms and conditions of the transfer permit and applicable law shall also be grounds for the revocation or suspension of the transfer permit." Last edited by yukidomari; 29-08-2011 at 18:58.

31-08-2011, 02:25	#5
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Personally I prefer to let the owners pick up the pups when they have about 90 days old, it's hard to stay with whole litter until this age and keep working in socializing them, but what the pack teaches to the pups helps a lot the future owners. According my experience, it turns the pups much easier to teach and also to accept his hierarchy place in his new pack, it's like if the adults teach them to how to respect and also how to react to different situations envolving dogs and also people. __________________ Last edited by Nebulosa; 31-08-2011 at 02:27.

29-08-2011, 12:07	#1
*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	Finland. Delivery earlier than 7 weeks of age. And not a day less than this, some breeders use to 12 weeks.

29-08-2011, 19:22	#4
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	There are no regulations that I know of here in Bulgaria (and even if there were, nobody would take a blind bit of notice ), but we like our pups to be at least 10 weeks old before they leave (up to date on everything, of course!)

31-08-2011, 08:37	#6
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Paula, maybe you wonder, but this is my experience too! It makes the life for the future owner much easier when puppies are raised up by their parents and maybe one, two other adults or even a yearling. And of course you are right that it is real hard stuff to have all these pups around for a longer time. First I always thought it is better to give a wolfdog to their new place with 6 weeks and a normal dog with 7 weeks. But from their outgoing behaviour it is easier to be teached by other wolfdogs than by us the human being. But it is almost not possible to socialize 5 - 8 pupps during this most important time of the life of a dog! I socialized 3 pups and of course for everyone of them it had been better if I had to socialize only one. Especially if a pup needs a bit more time. And with socializing I mean, driving by car, going in the city, driving train, going into the Zoo, Coffee shops, Restaurants, Bars all places where a lot of noise is and many many people. and last but not least to puppy dogschool. You need a lot of helping hands to do this. So in the middle I would give my pupps next time not so early like 6 or 7 weeks but I would say around 10 - 12 weeks. Even bite ignition would be better because the parents teach them. It depends in which new house they go. Do the people live in the city or in the forrest. Do they want to take their dog everywhere or only for outdoor activities. But of course you never know if this will change in future life of a pup. Christian

31-08-2011, 17:01	#7
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	You are so right Christian, it is difficult to socialise a large litter of pups to the outside world (car rides, crowds of people, traffic etc.) but what mum and the pack teach them is just as important. Finding a happy balance between the 2 is a breeder's big challenge (one of them)