British Kennel Club Recognition

Vaiva · 02-09-2011, 15:01

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Originally Posted by hedeon

Well, everything is ok - I think before selling puppies to "doubtful" countries, breeders should first consult some people we all know and trust here. Like in case of UK I would first maybe try to contact tupac2legs for example and ask if she knows anything about the concrete person

This time the person was open about his plans, next time he might get smarter...

Shadowlands · 02-09-2011, 16:47

Good tip Vaiva

Tupacs2legs is a good contact and will give honest opinions (I don't know her personally, but have read a lot of her postings here and elsewhere and she only speaks common sense and good practice)

It's a bit like contacting breeders in the other country, except that there aren't any trustworthy ones (that I know of) in the UK. I know of one 'breeder' who sells Pure F3 CsV's in the UK...

hedeon · 02-09-2011, 16:56

She would take responsibility for that person this way, you never know what he is going to do later on. But it is better to check with some one, than to not. Tupacs2legs is a good guardian of CVS purity

tupacs2legs · 02-09-2011, 21:03

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Originally Posted by hedeon

She would take responsibility for that person this way, you never know what he is going to do later on. But it is better to check with some one, than to not. Tupacs2legs is a good guardian of CVS purity

how very nice of you to say so

yes,i hide no secret of loving and wanting to 'protect' the breed,its something that has 'upset' quite a few people

back to the topic....but im sooo happy,i would not of entertained importing under the old timescale

hedeon · 02-09-2011, 22:07

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

back to the topic....but im sooo happy,i would not of entertained importing under the old timescale

You can't imagine how happy I am. Once I felled in love with this breed, I have read more and more about them, just to find out there are very few pure CSV in UK. I said, it is not so bad, I can import one from homeland. Then I was told about 6 month quarantine. I was so ruined. Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

Tassle · 02-09-2011, 23:20

It is great news - I would love a Saarloos - but no-one in this country will breed pure as 'people cannot cope with them'....

Its a line used as an excuse fro crossing the CsV in this country as well and makes me SO mad!

....one day......
(Dream on!!)

Nebulosa · 03-09-2011, 01:26

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Originally Posted by Tassle

It is great news - I would love a Saarloos - but no-one in this country will breed pure as 'people cannot cope with them'....

Its a line used as an excuse fro crossing the CsV in this country as well and makes me SO mad!

....one day......
(Dream on!!)

Eh?!
Does it mean they tell people that an FCI recognized breed with standarized character are less suitable to people than an mix with unpredictable character?!

Gosh... why do I breed pure dogs!? We should all start to only re-home mongrels then! Easier, less expensive and we end up saving lifes.

I can't laugh much of UK breeders while in here we have yet people who swear their molossers are free of HD because such ill "does not exist in the breed", that's why make the X rays would be only a waste of time as all dogs are naturaly free, even if it's an Bulldog or an Labrador.

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Tassle

It is great news - I would love a Saarloos - but no-one in this country will breed pure as 'people cannot cope with them'....

Its a line used as an excuse fro crossing the CsV in this country as well and makes me SO mad!

....one day......
(Dream on!!)

the saarloos that are in the uk only 4-5 are 100% pure, saarloos are not a difficult breed at all but getting a pure is hard and you need to go to breed club in Holland and talk to Gosling Mast

Tazer · 08-09-2011, 21:34

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Originally Posted by hedeon

Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

Think that could've been me.

I didn't want to get my hopes up when I first found out, knowing what DEFRA can be like. But now its official...brilliant.

Taz

Rona · 09-09-2011, 00:04

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Originally Posted by Tazer

Think that could've been me.
I didn't want to get my hopes up when I first found out, knowing what DEFRA can be like. But now its official...brilliant.

Yes, it was you.

Though honestly, I too, was more than sceptical at first.

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 18:42

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Originally Posted by hedeon

You can't imagine how happy I am. Once I felled in love with this breed, I have read more and more about them, just to find out there are very few pure CSV in UK. I said, it is not so bad, I can import one from homeland. Then I was told about 6 month quarantine. I was so ruined. Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

you are definately new to uk, there are over 60 pure bred CVS in uk, but they are not fci registered, but they are pure bred 100% guarenteed, dont bite your nose off to spite your face, you may need a uk breeder one day, dont forget all you people if it was not for two people fighting Defra you would have no wolfdogs in the uk, as all the help from Europe dried up after 2 years and the people had to finnish the job themselves,,not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

hedeon · 10-09-2011, 22:19

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Originally Posted by kalcon

...if it was not for two people fighting Defra you would have no wolfdogs in the uk...

And for that I trully thank them. But what was real motives behind that is not so obvious. And if one of them is crossing CSV with other breeds, doing his own experiments, own projects I wont buy a puppy from him (it may be one of his experiments) only because he fought with DEFRA. It doesn't make him any more reliable breeder.

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Originally Posted by kalcon

...there are over 60 pure bred CVS in uk, but they are not fci registered, but they are pure bred 100% guarenteed...

Maybe. Maybe not. There is a risk of getting cross instead, and it is too big for me, to take a chance. The risk is always, it just can be bigger or smaller.

If I am about to support someone I would like it would be a person with clear reputation, and motives... If there is any doubts about it, I will go to next one. Same with breeders, why I should support someone who may be in fact ie. hurting animals? If everyone would do the same, doubtful breeders soon would be left out of business, right? I am not saying every breeder in UK is bad. In fact I am sure many of them are wonderful breeders, but their CSV may come from not so wonderful kennels, or maybe they are not really aware of their CSV is in fact a cross. Risky, risky. No, thank you, I will not take chance.

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Originally Posted by kalcon

...not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

??? I thought that person did it because of his love for breed, because he wanted these dogs to be in UK, make breed more popular in this country, not for thanks and applause. But I can be wrong... Otherwise why to demand it so many times on this forum?

Any way, this discussion is getting a little bit off topic.

kalcon · 10-09-2011, 18:45

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Originally Posted by hedeon

You can't imagine how happy I am. Once I felled in love with this breed, I have read more and more about them, just to find out there are very few pure CSV in UK. I said, it is not so bad, I can import one from homeland. Then I was told about 6 month quarantine. I was so ruined. Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

you are definately new to uk, there are over 60 pure bred CVS in uk, but they are not fci registered, but they are pure bred 100% guarenteed, dont bite your nose off to spite your face, you may need a uk breeder one day, dont forget all you people if it was not for two people fighting Defra you would have no wolfdogs in the uk, as all the help from Europe dried up after 2 years and the people had to finnish the job themselves,,not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

Rona · 03-09-2011, 09:48

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

how very nice of you to say so

It's a pity you're not a breeder, Layla!

Think about it!

happyfeet · 12-09-2011, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Rona

It's a pity you're not a breeder, Layla!

Think about it!

hmmmmm..ofcourse not Rona?

Rona · 12-09-2011, 17:13

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Originally Posted by happyfeet

hmmmmm..ofcourse not Rona?

This is exactly what I meant: that a person like Layla would make a very reliable and trustful breeder.

You might not be aware of the fact that usually it takes a few months to recognize "the pup market" - sometimes it takes a year or more to get a pup from a litter and kennel one is interested in, not to mention the necessity of raising (saving) funds for the pup and its transport. After the pup is imported it takes at least two years to raise, X-ray, train & bonitaite the female (if somebody wants to follow the ethical breeding principles, naturally). Sometimes CSV females are not on heat until they are two or three years old, and then there is still the matter of finding a suitable (tested X-rayed) stud and registering the kennel etc.

As you can see there's a long way from "thinking about breeding" to "breeding", and the Kennel Club might be recognized in the meantime, which I hope will happen.
Besides, I don't even know if Layla will ever take my advice seriously. She might have some other plans for her life.

To me your concern about her not breeding seems a bit .... weird

As far as CSVs are concerned, I think there are many more worrying problems in the UK.

02-09-2011, 16:47	#2
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Good tip Vaiva Tupacs2legs is a good contact and will give honest opinions (I don't know her personally, but have read a lot of her postings here and elsewhere and she only speaks common sense and good practice) It's a bit like contacting breeders in the other country, except that there aren't any trustworthy ones (that I know of) in the UK. I know of one 'breeder' who sells Pure F3 CsV's in the UK... Last edited by Shadowlands; 02-09-2011 at 16:51.

02-09-2011, 16:56	#3
hedeon Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 132	She would take responsibility for that person this way, you never know what he is going to do later on. But it is better to check with some one, than to not. Tupacs2legs is a good guardian of CVS purity

02-09-2011, 23:20	#6
Tassle Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall Posts: 137	It is great news - I would love a Saarloos - but no-one in this country will breed pure as 'people cannot cope with them'.... Its a line used as an excuse fro crossing the CsV in this country as well and makes me SO mad! ....one day...... (Dream on!!)