British Kennel Club Recognition

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by kalcon

...if it was not for two people fighting Defra you would have no wolfdogs in the uk...

And for that I trully thank them. But what was real motives behind that is not so obvious. And if one of them is crossing CSV with other breeds, doing his own experiments, own projects I wont buy a puppy from him (it may be one of his experiments) only because he fought with DEFRA. It doesn't make him any more reliable breeder.

Originally Posted by kalcon

...there are over 60 pure bred CVS in uk, but they are not fci registered, but they are pure bred 100% guarenteed...

Maybe. Maybe not. There is a risk of getting cross instead, and it is too big for me, to take a chance. The risk is always, it just can be bigger or smaller.

If I am about to support someone I would like it would be a person with clear reputation, and motives... If there is any doubts about it, I will go to next one. Same with breeders, why I should support someone who may be in fact ie. hurting animals? If everyone would do the same, doubtful breeders soon would be left out of business, right? I am not saying every breeder in UK is bad. In fact I am sure many of them are wonderful breeders, but their CSV may come from not so wonderful kennels, or maybe they are not really aware of their CSV is in fact a cross. Risky, risky. No, thank you, I will not take chance.

Originally Posted by kalcon

...not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

??? I thought that person did it because of his love for breed, because he wanted these dogs to be in UK, make breed more popular in this country, not for thanks and applause. But I can be wrong... Otherwise why to demand it so many times on this forum?

Any way, this discussion is getting a little bit off topic.

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by hedeon

And for that I trully thank them. But what was real motives behind that is not so obvious. And if one of them is crossing CSV with other breeds, doing his own experiments, own projects I wont buy a puppy from him (it may be one of his experiments) only because he fought with DEFRA. It doesn't make him any more reliable breeder.



Maybe. Maybe not. There is a risk of getting cross instead, and it is too big for me, to take a chance. The risk is always, it just can be bigger or smaller.

If I am about to support someone I would like it would be a person with clear reputation, and motives... If there is any doubts about it, I will go to next one. Same with breeders, why I should support someone who may be in fact ie. hurting animals? If everyone would do the same, doubtful breeders soon would be left out of business, right? I am not saying every breeder in UK is bad. In fact I am sure many of them are wonderful breeders, but their CSV may come from not so wonderful kennels, or maybe they are not really aware of their CSV is in fact a cross. Risky, risky. No, thank you, I will not take chance.



??? I thought that person did it because of his love for breed, because he wanted these dogs to be in UK, make breed more popular in this country, not for thanks and applause. But I can be wrong... Otherwise why to demand it so many times on this forum?

Any way, this discussion is getting a little bit off topic.

you are new i spoke to ronnie winder on the phone, his advise to me is forget about the anti uk people on wolfdog.org, he said he only wants to know why everyone is so happy and glad that from 2012 it is easy to get Czech wolfdog into uk, he won his case in November 2008 and the czech wolfdog are legal in uk from that day, so why three years later is it still only him and 1 other breeder have imported any, the answer is easy they are alltalk and no action, they want lifted and laid,others to do the work, if they love the breed so much why has only these two people imported, ronnie has two new wolfdogs coming in before christmas, he has shown me how it is done and he has told lots of people how to do it,,,,,,but again no one imports, TO MUCH HASSLE,,,,,,,ronnie has asked me to ask you, he says you are from Poland he has great friend in Poland who breeds Czechoslovakian wolfdogs, he will help you get a wolfdog to uk anytime you want, he openly online via me invites you and some friends to his kennels as you live close to him, he will pay for all your transport and supply lunch for all, come and see his wolfdogs, email him at > Dont mail him, it's so good breeder that needs to create a fake user to post in this forum, as he knows everyone have tons f unreply questions which he will avoid to reply in quite fun and mad way< , when you read things on this site and all the money made from x breeding, why is it so very hard to get wolfdog from ronnie,,,,, big money breeder?? he has only bred 4 litters the first was in 2003,,,,,,,,so 1 litter every 2 years,,,,,,,,hardly a puppy farmer pumping out wolfdogs,,,,,,,so what have you to loose free transport,free lunch, meet a man who has bred dogs for over 38 years, has owned wolves, and high content wolfdogs for over 25yrs,,,,,and breeds the most beautiful wolfdogs you will ever see in uk or Europe,,,,,,if you come i will met you there for the benifit of one very suspicious person from USA, i am not ronnie winder and i was definately not born in the uk,,,,,,,

[yukidomari]

Is it OK to post breeder solicitation from WD-unlisted breeders too?

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by kalcon

ronnie has two new wolfdogs coming in before christmas, he has shown me how it is done and he has told lots of people how to do it,,,,,,but again no one imports, TO MUCH HASSLE,,,,,,,

Or maybe they were more interested in having a young puppy, to form a long and lasting bond of trust with, than to bring in an older dog and breed with it almost immediately??

Most reasonable people choose the breeder they do because they trust and respect that person and their motives and the way they protect the breed, NOT because they get a free day out, with lunch...

It seems to me that most of the breeders in the UK are responsible for the situation they are in - you(r beloved Ronnie) included. Cross breeding (often secretly) and not continuing the push for Kennel Club recognition have put the breed in a very bad position, not to mention the crossing with wolves and reintroducing them (again under cover) into Europe. Most on this forum want the breed to be a success the world over, but it seems the UK is maybe beyond help - and slagging off UK owners of dogs from other breeders is just petty and demeaning, so STOP IT!

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

you(r beloved Ronnie)

!!!

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by kalcon

...he openly online via me invites you and some friends to his kennels as you live close to him...

Well, say 'thank you' from me to mr Winder, for his generous offer. Don't want to be rude, but don't really see a point of such visit, as I don't think I need a help with importing puppy. I already took my decision.