Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

Nebulosa · 22-09-2011, 04:20

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

What I am asking is, which dogs can be TESTED by DNA and be useful to solve this puzzle, not just those which are said to be affected litters?

We need the blood of Dvorak, the red Saarloos and possible father of these litters, to compare in paternity test with its possible sons (dogs which had red or "saarloos looking like" pups).

Of course praying that there was only Dvorak at Edith kennel, and no other Saarloos.

yukidomari · 22-09-2011, 04:39

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

We need the blood of Dvorak, the red Saarloos and possible father of these litters, to compare in paternity test with its possible sons (dogs which had red or "saarloos looking like" pups).

Of course praying that there was only Dvorak at Edith kennel, and no other Saarloos.

So if the blood of Dvorak is never gotten, this mystery will not be solved by DNA?

Jennin Lauma · 25-09-2011, 02:08

I still think that comparison between supposed siblings & half-siblings can be done.
I know cases in Finland where such has been made with results that leave no questions if the dogs are truly siblings or not. Allthough these cases I know have not been wolfdogs but other breeds.

Morian · 25-09-2011, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Jennin Lauma

I still think that comparison between supposed siblings & half-siblings can be done.
I know cases in Finland where such has been made with results that leave no questions if the dogs are truly siblings or not. Allthough these cases I know have not been wolfdogs but other breeds.

i heard about such cases too.

jmvdwiel · 25-09-2011, 14:41

I also think that it is possibly to find out if dog are related as halfbrother/sister but only by a qualified geneticus, and I think you need to have more siblings that just 2.
Because there is an possibility that 2 siblings from the same litter share no genes with each other , ofcourse they have half of their dna form the father and the other half from the mother.

there is an other thing which makes the comparison difficult and that is that te csw is inbreeded this means that probably my dogs shares genes with not close unrelated dogs also... that makes the comparison difficult.

I get the impression that none of the involved breeders wants to get an answer to this matter, maybe more that one breeder made a mistake? or maybe this red was in the breed already for a long period? all of this can only be solved by comparing a lot of DNA samples..... the question is... who is going to pay for it? and who wants to do the comparison?
And what if the result is not what you wanted?

Morian · 25-09-2011, 14:45

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Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

who is going to pay for it? and who wants to do the comparison?

some people can help including me for example. i think all people really interested in the breed want to do it.

FraFairy · 28-09-2011, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Morian

some people can help including me for example. i think all people really interested in the breed want to do it.

Surely those who care about the race will be willing to do so, the problem remains for those who only see us on the farm interests and personal gain, they will never be willing to collaborate?
I think not ..
One step could be to store the DNA of each animal in the herd, but not by making the collection privately, but by the competent authorities, who go on the farm and take samples and then deposit them ...
But it would never be possible?
I talk about breeding just because you come from where most of the puppies.
Should become a necessary and obligatory rule.
Unfortunately only a beautiful dream.

Juri Z.P. · 28-09-2011, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Morian

some people can help including me for example. i think all people really interested in the breed want to do it.

Shadow

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YOU can help, as well as anyone else, including me for example. I think all people being honestly interested in the breed want to do it.
.

Is not for a person here, but for all,
not want, fact!
Those who mix-breed or don't help just because of their pride or ego, they abolish not only the CLC and help the frauds, but also all pedigrees including all data!

In addition they're devastating the future of real CLC including health control etc....

All those who choose their ego over their dogs and therefore support those frauds and intrigues, they've lost authenticity and credibility - the DOGS are the central point

I do not understand why it seems impossible to bring up facts to get things straight - it just one little step bringing people to be honest - is it really too much regarding your dogs, our breed CLC?

It's all about making money - so it seems to me - and I'm sorry but I can not and do not believe other explanations anymore ... such a pity ...

Many people want to help, make a small step officially DNA - a big step for all CLC,
if they really love this CLC with your own history and personality!

thanks ALL!

best Regards Mariana

Shadowlands · 25-09-2011, 15:39

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Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

who is going to pay for it? and who wants to do the comparison?
And what if the result is not what you wanted?

Split between all the people who want to be involved, the cost will be relatively small. What price do you put on peace of mind, on the ability to move forwards and not be worrying about the long lasting effects of this 'mistake'?

A final, official result is all that true guardians of the breed want - whatever that result is.

elf · 27-09-2011, 14:39

What about using the B-Locus test on some dogs ? http://www.genomia.cz/en/test/locus-b-dog/

...or on many CSV.
e.g., Daniela can you perform this test for low extra cost while checking for DM if the owner ask for it ?

25-09-2011, 02:08	#3
Jennin Lauma Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 66	I still think that comparison between supposed siblings & half-siblings can be done. I know cases in Finland where such has been made with results that leave no questions if the dogs are truly siblings or not. Allthough these cases I know have not been wolfdogs but other breeds. __________________ -Jenni- http://jenninlauma.weebly.com

27-09-2011, 14:39	#10
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	What about using the B-Locus test on some dogs ? http://www.genomia.cz/en/test/locus-b-dog/ ...or on many CSV. e.g., Daniela can you perform this test for low extra cost while checking for DM if the owner ask for it ? __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html Last edited by elf; 27-09-2011 at 14:49.

25-09-2011, 14:41	#5
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	I also think that it is possibly to find out if dog are related as halfbrother/sister but only by a qualified geneticus, and I think you need to have more siblings that just 2. Because there is an possibility that 2 siblings from the same litter share no genes with each other , ofcourse they have half of their dna form the father and the other half from the mother. there is an other thing which makes the comparison difficult and that is that te csw is inbreeded this means that probably my dogs shares genes with not close unrelated dogs also... that makes the comparison difficult. I get the impression that none of the involved breeders wants to get an answer to this matter, maybe more that one breeder made a mistake? or maybe this red was in the breed already for a long period? all of this can only be solved by comparing a lot of DNA samples..... the question is... who is going to pay for it? and who wants to do the comparison? And what if the result is not what you wanted?