British Kennel Club Recognition

Shadowlands · 22-09-2011, 13:33

Would you not welcome lovers of the breed who are not yet owners? I am not sure the kennel club stipulates that all members of a club MUST be current owners (although, I don't know this for a fact, so please correct me if I am wrong). The registry of dogs must only contain pure bred CsV's (FCI registered or not, as this is what your ultimate goal is). I agree on the non inclusion (clumsy, but seemed nicer than exclusion

) of current 'breeders' who breed mixes though - they will have to get their own settlement with the KC first, independent of the pure CsV club, or it will make a mockery of what you are trying to do. Your hardest bit is going to be trying to find the pure dogs without the help of these 'breeders', but I am not sure if your initial list needs to be exhaustive (once recognition is achieved, dogs can be added retrospectively - again, someone correct me if I am wrong).

By including people who hope to become owners in the future (near or distant), you are ensuring your club can continue to grow. You will be bringing in lots of varied experiences and opinions which can all be added to the 'melting pot'. You will also be able to address the breeding pool issue easier if prospective owners are planning to import from various kennels.

As for suspect dogs because of the CW issue - I don't think you can exclude them entirely at this point since they are still FCI recognised. It may be at some point in the future that some will have to be removed from the recognition, but that will be happening on a world-wide scale, so the KC cannot blame you for including them now.

Well done for getting the ball rolling and lots of luck

tupacs2legs · 22-09-2011, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Would you not welcome lovers of the breed who are not yet owners? I am not sure the kennel club stipulates that all members of a club MUST be current owners (although, I don't know this for a fact, so please correct me if I am wrong). The registry of dogs must only contain pure bred CsV's (FCI registered or not, as this is what your ultimate goal is). I agree on the non inclusion (clumsy, but seemed nicer than exclusion

) of current 'breeders' who breed mixes though - they will have to get their own settlement with the KC first, independent of the pure CsV club, or it will make a mockery of what you are trying to do. Your hardest bit is going to be trying to find the pure dogs without the help of these 'breeders', but I am not sure if your initial list needs to be exhaustive (once recognition is achieved, dogs can be added retrospectively - again, someone correct me if I am wrong).

By including people who hope to become owners in the future (near or distant), you are ensuring your club can continue to grow. You will be bringing in lots of varied experiences and opinions which can all be added to the 'melting pot'. You will also be able to address the breeding pool issue easier if prospective owners are planning to import from various kennels.

As for suspect dogs because of the CW issue - I don't think you can exclude them entirely at this point since they are still FCI recognised. It may be at some point in the future that some will have to be removed from the recognition, but that will be happening on a world-wide scale, so the KC cannot blame you for including them now.

Well done for getting the ball rolling and lots of luck

where has anyone said they would exclude non owners? that would be a ridiculous thing to do....its not a cult

i think i worry about the cw dogs as our csv population is so small,if there is any doubt i do not think they should be bred from...if it turns out they have to be 'removed' that would be half the population already 'mutts' and the whole thing would be 'laughable' imo

Shadowlands · 22-09-2011, 13:51

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

where has anyone said they would exclude non owners? that would be a ridiculous thing to do....its not a cult

i think i worry about the cw dogs as our csv population is so small,if there is any doubt i do not think they should be bred from...if it turns out they have to be 'removed' that would be half the population already 'mutts' and the whole thing would be 'laughable' imo

I was responding to Tassle's post

I agree that suspect dogs should not be included in any breeding plans but, until proven otherwise, they can be in the list of pure CsV's living in the UK. Not all dogs/bitches on the list will be for breeding, they are just there 'cos they are pure bred and representative of the breed standard. For recognition you need a minimum number of dogs, so they need to be in there for that reason at least

tupacs2legs · 22-09-2011, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

I was responding to Tassle's post

I agree that suspect dogs should not be included in any breeding plans but, until proven otherwise, they can be in the list of pure CsV's living in the UK. Not all dogs/bitches on the list will be for breeding, they are just there 'cos they are pure bred and representative of the breed standard. For recognition you need a minimum number of dogs, so they need to be in there for that reason at least

agreed! hence why i put 'not be bred from'

....but sadly most csv owners here want to breed...and will do..regardless

Shadowlands · 22-09-2011, 13:55

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

agreed! hence why i put 'not be bred from'

....but sadly most csv owners here want to breed...and will do..regardless

sad times...

Shadowlands · 22-09-2011, 13:56

How do we get this onto a new thread? People might be missing it since it is entirely off the original topic...

hedeon · 22-09-2011, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

How do we get this onto a new thread? People might be missing it since it is entirely off the original topic...

Need to ask Nebulosa to split it in two threads. Maybe "British Kennel Club Recognition?"

hedeon · 22-09-2011, 13:59

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

agreed! hence why i put 'not be bred from'

....but sadly most csv owners here want to breed...and will do..regardless

And this is why people who care for CSV future here need to be so careful. I'd like to trust them 100%

Tazer · 22-09-2011, 15:52

I don't want a csv to use for breeding, I simply want a pet...that I've no doubt will teach me a lot.

Taz

Rona · 22-09-2011, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Tazer

I don't want a csv to use for breeding, I simply want a pet...that I've no doubt will teach me a lot.

Oh yes!

Shadowlands · 22-09-2011, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Tazer

I don't want a csv to use for breeding, I simply want a pet...that I've no doubt will teach me a lot.

Taz

Faith is slowly being restored xx

tupacs2legs · 22-09-2011, 16:07

Hang on guys....wasn't meant as 'people on this thread' want to breed

But let's face it it is true,pixie has mentioned breeding,as has orkwolf and a lot of novice owners I have spoken to,and not forgetting any dog bought from 'mr winder' is encouraged to breed from...and some of these dogs contain cw....that's all I was saying

pixie · 22-09-2011, 16:29

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

Hang on guys....wasn't meant as 'people on this thread' want to breed

But let's face it it is true,pixie has mentioned breeding,as has orkwolf and a lot of novice owners I have spoken to,and not forgetting any dog bought from 'mr winder' is encouraged to breed from...and some of these dogs contain cw....that's all I was saying

I would only breed Pixie if she passed all the health checks, and it was to promote the breed here, otherwise i am not interested in breeding her and never have been. She was bought as a pet pure and simple, and that is the way she will stay, I have no intention of importing or buying any other CSV for breeding although i am tempted to get another as a pet lol because she is so lovely. I hope that clears up my breeding ambitions just in case I am an Owner not a breeder

Tazer · 22-09-2011, 17:49

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

Hang on guys....wasn't meant as 'people on this thread' want to breed

I know, was just taking the oppertunity to make my position/intentions clear.

Taz

pixie · 22-09-2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

Hang on guys....wasn't meant as 'people on this thread' want to breed

But let's face it it is true,pixie has mentioned breeding,as has orkwolf and a lot of novice owners I have spoken to,and not forgetting any dog bought from 'mr winder' is encouraged to breed from...and some of these dogs contain cw....that's all I was saying

just a point i am 53years old and had dogs of various breeds over the years mainly GSD's i have only bred once when my border terriers mated by mistake and that now cant happen again (poor boy) hardly a novice owner

22-09-2011, 15:52	#9
Tazer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	I don't want a csv to use for breeding, I simply want a pet...that I've no doubt will teach me a lot. Taz __________________ Never argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

22-09-2011, 13:33	#1
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Would you not welcome lovers of the breed who are not yet owners? I am not sure the kennel club stipulates that all members of a club MUST be current owners (although, I don't know this for a fact, so please correct me if I am wrong). The registry of dogs must only contain pure bred CsV's (FCI registered or not, as this is what your ultimate goal is). I agree on the non inclusion (clumsy, but seemed nicer than exclusion ) of current 'breeders' who breed mixes though - they will have to get their own settlement with the KC first, independent of the pure CsV club, or it will make a mockery of what you are trying to do. Your hardest bit is going to be trying to find the pure dogs without the help of these 'breeders', but I am not sure if your initial list needs to be exhaustive (once recognition is achieved, dogs can be added retrospectively - again, someone correct me if I am wrong). By including people who hope to become owners in the future (near or distant), you are ensuring your club can continue to grow. You will be bringing in lots of varied experiences and opinions which can all be added to the 'melting pot'. You will also be able to address the breeding pool issue easier if prospective owners are planning to import from various kennels. As for suspect dogs because of the CW issue - I don't think you can exclude them entirely at this point since they are still FCI recognised. It may be at some point in the future that some will have to be removed from the recognition, but that will be happening on a world-wide scale, so the KC cannot blame you for including them now. Well done for getting the ball rolling and lots of luck

22-09-2011, 13:56	#6
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	How do we get this onto a new thread? People might be missing it since it is entirely off the original topic...

22-09-2011, 16:07	#12
tupacs2legs rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: london Posts: 320	Hang on guys....wasn't meant as 'people on this thread' want to breed But let's face it it is true,pixie has mentioned breeding,as has orkwolf and a lot of novice owners I have spoken to,and not forgetting any dog bought from 'mr winder' is encouraged to breed from...and some of these dogs contain cw....that's all I was saying