British Kennel Club Recognition

tupacs2legs · 28-09-2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by pixie

whatever way we need to do it soon

well really,we need to wait for a reply to hedeons email to the kc.... will know where we stand and a bit more of what needs to be done.(mind u they never answered me a year ago

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hedeon · 28-09-2011, 19:51

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

well really,we need to wait for a reply to hedeons email to the kc.... will know where we stand and a bit more of what needs to be done.(mind u they never answered me a year ago

)

Well, I have received a reply, a bit strange... According to KC, CSV wasn't registered with KC before. Or in 2002. Any way I will quote evertyhing

My email

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Hello Caroline,

hope you are all right.
Thank you for your reply regarding breed recognition, but yet another question comes to my mind. How does it look like in situation where Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (CSV) was originally recognized by Kennel Club in 2002, but was removed from recognized breeds list in 2003 when DEFRA given the breed the status of 'Dangerous Wild Animal'. DEFRA revised their decision in 2008 removing CSV from 'Dangerous Wild Animal' act as " any dog 3 or more generations removed from pure wolf now no longer comes under the Dangerous Wild Animals act and therefore no longer needs a special licence to keep", but CSV have never come back on Kennel Club list. Does in this case whole process of breed recognition has to happen all over again?

And her reply:

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Thank you for your further email. It appears that you have been misinformed, as the Kennel Club did not recognize the breed in 2002.

We hope that this clarifies the situation for you.

Yours sincerely
Caroline Hallett
Registered Societies Manager

Is someone not telling the truth?

pixie · 28-09-2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

well really,we need to wait for a reply to hedeons email to the kc.... will know where we stand and a bit more of what needs to be done.(mind u they never answered me a year ago

)

that is the problem, if we can get a group together and forward the names of the dogs with pedigrees to he kennel club, and start to make noises so they know we are not going away they may possibly answer. I doubt it but we have to try, I just believe less people will mix if we are KC registered, as then potential new owners wont be looking at 98% csv 2% whatever, because they will want the KC reistration papers

tupacs2legs · 28-09-2011, 20:00

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Originally Posted by hedeon

Well, I have received a reply, a bit strange... According to KC, CSV wasn't registered with KC before. Or in 2002. Any way I will quote evertyhing

My email

And her reply:

Is someone not telling the truth?

now why wouldnt that surprise me

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Originally Posted by pixie

that is the problem, if we can get a group together and forward the names of the dogs with pedigrees to he kennel club, and start to make noises so they know we are not going away they may possibly answer. I doubt it but we have to try, I just believe less people will mix if we are KC registered, as then potential new owners wont be looking at 98% csv 2% whatever, because they will want the KC reistration papers

i do not think it will stop them being mixed,i dont think it would stop them being bred without papers either,you only have to look at the wolf-alikes and the designer-breed stuff going on to see that.

but all the same wont stop us trying...eh?

pixie · 29-09-2011, 00:35

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

now why wouldnt that surprise me

i do not think it will stop them being mixed,i dont think it would stop them being bred without papers either,you only have to look at the wolf-alikes and the designer-breed stuff going on to see that.

but all the same wont stop us trying...eh?

I agree about not stoping mixing, but the demand might fall when there are KC registered dogs and no it wont stop us, this march for recognition has started

hedeon · 29-09-2011, 00:49

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Originally Posted by pixie

I agree about not stoping mixing, but the demand might fall when there are KC registered dogs and no it wont stop us, this march for recognition has started

Demand will fall also when we start to "advertise" European breeders, at least till normal breeding starts here.

happyfeet · 29-09-2011, 09:09

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Originally Posted by hedeon

Demand will fall also when we start to "advertise" European breeders, at least till normal breeding starts here.

Oh great so in 2 years we will have a massive influx of puppies hitting the
Market from novice breeders that have only owned this breed for
Short period, that may still not be KC registered.

All i can see here is disaster! Do you honestly believe that
All these puppies you breeders are selling to the UK in Jan
Wont be used as breeding stock? Rubbish each and everyone
Will I bet my life on it!

Murph · 29-09-2011, 10:09

Seems to be a lot of pessimism ....How many people in the UK have bought a dog from a European breeder, with the agreement they would not breed and then went ahead and bred anyway?

Tassle · 29-09-2011, 10:40

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Originally Posted by happyfeet

Oh great so in 2 years we will have a massive influx of puppies hitting the
Market from novice breeders that have only owned this breed for
Short period, that may still not be KC registered.

All i can see here is disaster! Do you honestly believe that
All these puppies you breeders are selling to the UK in Jan
Wont be used as breeding stock? Rubbish each and everyone
Will I bet my life on it!

Do you not think what is happening now is a disaster for the breed? Why is it a good thing to allow the breeders currently here to have a monopoly on these dogs with crossbreeding chucked in as a nice sideline for them?

Do you think things should be left as they are?? Are you happy with the breed as it is in this country?

If not what would your solution be? People are at least trying here to head in the right direction, a bit of positive input might be nice?

pixie · 29-09-2011, 11:01

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Originally Posted by happyfeet

Oh great so in 2 years we will have a massive influx of puppies hitting the
Market from novice breeders that have only owned this breed for
Short period, that may still not be KC registered.

All i can see here is disaster! Do you honestly believe that
All these puppies you breeders are selling to the UK in Jan
Wont be used as breeding stock? Rubbish each and everyone
Will I bet my life on it!

It is disaster now, at worst we will remain the same, but if we can get a big enough pool of purebreds then it might turn around if we dont try we will never know. we all know people will always crossbreed but so what we can ignore them and get our breed up and running, there are thousands of mongrels in every country in the world but also alot of people who cherish there particular breed get on the train as all help will ber needed

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Murph Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 54	Seems to be a lot of pessimism ....How many people in the UK have bought a dog from a European breeder, with the agreement they would not breed and then went ahead and bred anyway? Last edited by Murph; 29-09-2011 at 10:43.