British Kennel Club Recognition

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Tassle

Any Club has a committee??

It is set up by electing a chairperson, etc .....

What's the problem with everyone joining, maybe everyone who is interested doing a Bio and what they hope to sort for the club, then everyone electing? Or putting forwards names?

Well, I understand what you mean but the problem with letting 'everyone' elect is that obviously as the situation is in the UK it seems that a large portion of people would vote contrary to the well-being of the breed?

That's why in clubs, there are rules as to who holds voting status usually. ..everyone is free to join, but not everyone is free to vote.

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Well, I understand what you mean but the problem with letting 'everyone' elect is that obviously as the situation is in the UK it seems that a large portion of people would vote contrary to the well-being of the breed?

That's why in clubs, there are rules as to who holds voting status usually. ..everyone is free to join, but not everyone is free to vote.

I can see where you are coming from, but I also think somehow this has to be done fairly to stop as much bad feeling as possible.
There is so much bad feeling about, that any exclusion at the moment is going to seem like there is a hidden agenda.

Possibly a temporary committee, until peoples loyalty and commitment can be assessed?

[Nebulosa]

Another important thing, I told 2 different groups, one closed to selected UK breeders which will REALLY breed pure Czechoslovakian wolfdogs or help the breed in serious way, and one to people worldwide helps, like other breeders, do you all wonder why?
Then, read this topic to have an idea of what people from other countries had already passed with some "breeders" who pops trying to sell dogs in an easy way for any owner who whish it and is willing to pay the price required.

It's not only for importing pups, but with an closed group you will be able to talk openly about "why not use stud X or Y" in your breeding at that moment, without the owner or the breeder of the said stud pops at your forum in an hysterical attack telling that his stud is perfect because he won several shows and have no health problems.

Unfortunatelly, not all people are mature enough to openly accept that some times their studs or pups are not interesting to one country specifically.

[happyfeet]

and some would just like their pets to be recognised and not be breeding machines?

all this ranting must look awful to newbies, mini reminder that this is an open forum and that you are being viewed by many people i.e. guests and this threads not promoting recognition in the UK very well at all

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

and some would just like their pets to be recognised and not be breeding machines?

And a nice goal.

But how is that contrary to what I'm saying? All I'm saying is there has got to be some rules in place. Is that unreasonable?

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

And a nice goal.

But how is that contrary to what I'm saying? All I'm saying is there has got to be some rules in place. Is that unreasonable?

Certainly not, and possibly the direction I am coming from is similar to you.

My fear would be that if certain people were not allowed in, objections could be made at a later date which would prevent things from moving forwards, *if* a fair way could be found, then said people would not have objections at a later date.

[happyfeet]

as a newbie here, in my opinion {which perhaps doesnt really count in the whole scheme of things} and as an owner of a registered dog as a family pet , I am not convinced by the other members of the inner circle to their true intentions. Who decides who to include or not to include its seems very underhanded . Reading it from the start its enough to put anyone off.

I agree it has to start somewhere but surely the 'inner circle' needs to show to others they are true and fair and equal? This is not whats being reflected!

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

I agree it has to start somewhere but surely the 'inner circle' needs to show to others they are true and fair and equal? This is not whats being reflected!

I agree with you!

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by HappyFeet

I agree it has to start somewhere but surely the 'inner circle' needs to show to others they are true and fair and equal? This is not whats being reflected!

Surely the "inner circle" will have to show not only for UK people how serious they are, but also convince the breeders about it.

As we can have an "inner circle" with new people interested in work, we can have an "inner circle" with people who only wants new blood for their mixes.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

and some would just like their pets to be recognised and not be breeding machines?

all this ranting must look awful to newbies, mini reminder that this is an open forum and that you are being viewed by many people i.e. guests and this threads not promoting recognition in the UK very well at all

What difference makes to have an paper telling your dog if of breed to an owner who does have his dog as Pet and nor even think about the possibility of make a litter?

Yes, I hope everyone from UK who loves CzW, who breed mixes or who wants to breed pure dogs read this topic, and realise that THANKS the people who start with the breed in your country we have such situation.
That thanks to them people who want to make a serious work will have to fight for gain the trust of the breeders again and that trust is a very fragile thing which can be broken at any small mistake.
Suppose european breeders start to trust you now and accept to send some dogs to your country, then years after it this same breeder discouver that their pups, sended to UK for breed pure dogs, has been used to make mixes and help unscrupulous people to gain money with pointless breeding?

Sorry, but for me as breeder it would be like an forever place for UK in my blacklist, and I can be sure that yout country will not be only at my list.

[pixie]

We certainly need a comitee but not just breeders owners as well, and we have to have a sound membership procedure, so that people are vetted as best we can, and we definetly need to contact the KC to find out exact requirments for recognition

[Nebulosa]

Happyfeet and Blaidd banned for being clones also for start to act like an troll.
Topic cleaned as well, we can continue talking about CzW in Uk.