Stud fees

[Gaga]

But maybe, sometimes the IA it's a better choice than taking the worse male only because he lives near us I don't want to say that everyone should use the IA, it's only a possibility...

[*Satu]

Originally Posted by Gaga

But maybe, sometimes the IA it's a better choice than taking the worse male only because he lives near us I don't want to say that everyone should use the IA, it's only a possibility...

Also in natural way, I can see male what i use, in live then i can be sure that male character is ok.
I didn´t cry that my mating trip was to long.

Male was great and i will see after 2 week my next litter.
I don´t make my choice of male or how long way i have.

Other detale was comming first.

Male doesn´t have to many litter´s. Type is ok. Healty results.
and every kennel doesn´t have same combination. Matador breeding doesn´t help at all.

[Gaga]

Originally Posted by *Satu

Also in natural way, I can see male what i use, in live then i can be sure that male character is ok.
I didn´t cry that my mating trip was to long.

Male was great and i will see after 2 week my next litter.
I don´t make my choice of male or how long way i have.

Other detale was comming first.

Male doesn´t have to many litter´s. Type is ok. Healty results.
and every kennel doesn´t have same combination. Matador breeding doesn´t help at all.

Sorry Satu- I didn't write it against you. Not at all It was only another point of view in discussion

[*Satu]

^ i didn´t think that at all. I only told my opinoin about this.

I Finland we can use one female only 4 times in life time. ( other country you can make litter in every year)

That why i need to think very hard what kind male and combination i will make.

[monita]

Dear Forum members!

I haven't got any reply for the question I asked. If someone doesn't want to reply in public, I promise I won't post it anywhere if (s)he sends me the price in e-mail ([email protected]).

[*Satu]

Baron was 100e per living 2week old puppy. Now days 0,-

I have asked and one asked 700e per litter, one 100e per pup and one says i have heard not so nice about you and sorry. (about barons healty)

One from france asked 1500e hah hah hah!

from cz 700cz koruna per pup about 35e

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by monita

I haven't got any reply for the question I asked. If someone doesn't want to reply in public, I promise I won't post it anywhere if (s)he sends me the price in e-mail ([email protected]).

I see no problem with it - it is 100EUR for every puppy which will survive more than 2 weeks.
Males have HD, ED, DM, dwarfish test, working exams, bonitation and show titles.

The same price ask our German friends and the same prices I heard in many other countries.

Very fair in my opinion....

[CDaniela]

Originally Posted by *Satu

^ i didn´t think that at all. I only told my opinoin about this.

I Finland we can use one female only 4 times in life time. ( other country you can make litter in every year)

That why i need to think very hard what kind male and combination i will make.

Reasonable decisions. Some breeders (in Central Europe) consider their females as puppies factory ...

[Shadowlands]

We wrer given such a wide range of prices, it was unbelievable . From the very reasonable flat 500 Euros to 1500 Euros plus 50 per living pup (we had 9 pups last time!). The argument made for some of the fees was that it was the price of a puppy - well, maybe in their country it was, but certainly not here in Bulgaria .

As someone has already mentioned, there are no rules governing this fee - a price is given and if you don't like it, use a different stud. It's as easy as that.

[*Satu]

I forget one Dog from france was 1000e.

True is that i´m ready to pay if i really want use male but some owners think this is best and easy work.

Every dog owner and breeder can tell own prices but some times price is from space.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

We wrer given such a wide range of prices, it was unbelievable . From the very reasonable flat 500 Euros to 1500 Euros plus 50 per living pup (we had 9 pups last time!). The argument made for some of the fees was that it was the price of a puppy - well, maybe in their country it was, but certainly not here in Bulgaria .

As someone has already mentioned, there are no rules governing this fee - a price is given and if you don't like it, use a different stud. It's as easy as that.

Exactly... Everybody can ask his/her own prices... Even if some prices are ridiculous....

The highest prices I get was 1500EUR in France (mating with a dog which is not even a pure CsW ). For a friend I was asking for a price the owner of poor quality dog (but with good pedigree) from Slovakia - it was 200EUR for a pupy....


Personally I do not accept any flat prices. I have very bad experiences with it - there are several cases known were flat prices asked owners of sterile dogs because they were sure they will not earn any money if they will ask the price basing on the number of puppies born....


But to be honest - ONLY the breeder decides which dog he/she will use. The show titles are not important for any serious breeder because they say NOTHING about the quality of the dog. In many cases dogs without any show results are MUCH better than the World and European Winners.
And there are many nice and interesting dogs. If someone is asking stupid price for covering there is really no problem to use other - as good or maybe even better dog - for mating....

[monita]

Originally Posted by CDaniela

Reasonable decisions. Some breeders (in Central Europe) consider their females as puppies factory ...

In Central Europe, there's only one "breeder" where 30-40 puppies born every year, but I think as a dog-factory of his/her kennel, just like some other people.

[Norky]

Originally Posted by monita

In Central Europe, there's only one "breeder" where 30-40 puppies born every year, but I think as a dog-factory of his/her kennel, just like some other people.

Shame on you!
I do not even speak the your position ...
Stay more silently...
You would be better, and we also

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by *Satu

I Finland we can use one female only 4 times in life time. ( other country you can make litter in every year)

In Finland you can breed with ill, dysplatic dogs (HD-D).
Also the registration of dogs with falsed pedigrees is possible.

As you can see - nobody is perfect....

[*Satu]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

In Finland you can breed with ill, dysplatic dogs (HD-D).
Also the registration of dogs with falsed pedigrees is possible.

As you can see - nobody is perfect....

How to prevent false registration in Poland? You can´t do nothing

You can breed also whit ill dogs. There is many illnes where you can´t have any tests... But HD-D is bad.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by *Satu

How to prevent false registration in Poland? You can´t do nothing

In Poland it is enough that I write a protest to our Kennel Club if I think that a litter have fake pedigree and the breeder is FORCED to make the DNA tests of the puppies (It is because the kennel club must follow the FCI breeding rules and is responsible for validity of the pedigrees.).

If I'm right the puppies loose the pedigrees. If I'm wrong I must pay for the DNA tests... Easy

It is why no mixes will be ever bred in Poland...

Originally Posted by *Satu

You can breed also whit ill dogs. There is many illnes where you can´t have any tests... But HD-D is bad.

Yes and no...
If there are rules in Poland they are: you can breed only with HD-A, HD-B and HD-C dogs and one of the parent must be HD-free.
Rules are made by the breed club which do not exist in PL at the moment.

It is why nobody breed with HD-D and HD-E dogs here. BUT it is possible to hide the results in the moment and to breed with not-tested dogs. And some breeders even do this. If the resuts are bad you can hide them - it is why you can not see HD-results by some Polish dogs. Look on the pedigree of Basior and the missing results of Clif and Beatris. It is the most famous Polish case because the breeders published the results of all their dogs with those two exceptions...