Acana Puppy Large breed

Liidia · 26-11-2011, 19:07

My dog eats NOW! grain free food.Look www.petcurean.com

yukidomari · 26-11-2011, 20:53

One study with well documented citations and sources is:

Relationship of Nutrition to Developmental Skeletal Disease in Young Dogs by Daniel C. Richardson & Phillip W. Toll

Part of which can be read here:
http://www.joint-health-for-dogs.com...tion-dogs.html

It is a cumulative study with areas specifically dealing with calcium and large puppies; it cites proper calcium intake as about 4-4.5 grams per 1000 calories worth of food; in general it means that in a large breed puppy food, 1.5% maximum calcium on the bag is optimal for puppies especially for large breed. Many food list calcium in terms of minimums - a minimum listed content of calcium of 2% could mean the food contains much more than that.

The reason that the calcium levels are more important for puppies is that according to this research and others (i will find them later)... "puppies apparently were unable to protect themselves against the negative effects of chronic calcium excess.3 Further, chronic high calcium intake increased the frequency and severity of osteochondrosis".

Of the grain-free foods popularly found in the US, these are the listed values:

Orijen 6Fish: 1.4%-1.6%
Orijen Large Puppy: 1.5%-1.7%
Orijen Adult: 1.4%-1.6%
Acana Provincial Grasslands: Minimum 2% (no max given)
Acana Provincial Pacifica: Minimum 1.4% (no max)
Taste of the Wild - Pacific Stream: 1.9%
Taste of the Wild - High Prairie: 2.1%
EVO Chicken and Turkey: 2.55%

Priska182 · 26-11-2011, 23:19

Big thanks to all of you!

Well I learned that a too high level of protein is not suitable for a Large breed puppy... But I can't find the right %...

The protein % is quite high in Orijen Large breed puppy (40%),
and only 33% in Acana Large breed puppy.

Indeed Baz, Acana price here is around 71CAD (51E) Taxes included, and about 83CAD (60E) for Orijen.

"Some veterinary research suggests that feeding high protein dry foods to puppies may contribute to the development or exacerbation of musculoskeletal disorders (as excess calcium and overall calories are believed to).
Equally there is veterinary research that suggests that high protein is not a factor (and we note that it does not appear to be a problem for puppies fed high protein natural raw diets)."

GalomyOak · 27-11-2011, 02:03

I use this food, for all of my dogs, puppies and adults:
http://www.diamondpet.com/products/d..._rice_formula/

I have used in the past:
Orijen (nice food, but also had the soft poop issue with a couple of dogs - many of the fish based foods were like this)
Innova Puppy (I liked this with Bongo and my A litter and would use it again)
Barking at the Moon Grain Free (fish/soft poop issue)
Taste of the Wild/High Prairie (I liked this one, but the price kept on going up...and up...and up - it would have been cheaper to feed totally raw

, but this is difficult to get all of the ingredients where I live)

I have been on Diamond for about 8 months now. I tried the Chicken/Performance (higher protein) version before the lamb, but like the lamb/puppy stuff better. I pay US$33 for 18 Kg (40 lbs)

nobrezabranca · 30-11-2011, 08:59

Hi,I use since sometime acana pacific mixed with raw meat.before I used proplan salmon.acana has no fish based food for puppies.I use it for both 10 months puppies and adults with exc results.orijen is better,but also 20Euro more expensive!since I give them also raw meat because I get it very cheap from a butcher that I know,in general it is cheaper for me to do so than to buy orijen.if I wouldn't buy any extra meat I would use orijen.with acana pacific the poo of my dogs is ok,but I also give them those big cow bones to eat/chew and this makes also the poo harder.
so orijen better,then acana...
I use the fish based food because due to its ingredients(fish oil,omegas,etc) it makes the coat look better...but this is only a detail...and they like it very much...again the raw meat for sure makes it also more delightful for them!

Priska182 · 05-12-2011, 00:18

Thanks Marcy and Nobrezabranca

Well, I think I will try Acana + Raw... I hope it will be nice for him

Thanks again to all of you

26-11-2011, 20:53	#2
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	One study with well documented citations and sources is: Relationship of Nutrition to Developmental Skeletal Disease in Young Dogs by Daniel C. Richardson & Phillip W. Toll Part of which can be read here: http://www.joint-health-for-dogs.com...tion-dogs.html It is a cumulative study with areas specifically dealing with calcium and large puppies; it cites proper calcium intake as about 4-4.5 grams per 1000 calories worth of food; in general it means that in a large breed puppy food, 1.5% maximum calcium on the bag is optimal for puppies especially for large breed. Many food list calcium in terms of minimums - a minimum listed content of calcium of 2% could mean the food contains much more than that. The reason that the calcium levels are more important for puppies is that according to this research and others (i will find them later)... "puppies apparently were unable to protect themselves against the negative effects of chronic calcium excess.3 Further, chronic high calcium intake increased the frequency and severity of osteochondrosis". Of the grain-free foods popularly found in the US, these are the listed values: Orijen 6Fish: 1.4%-1.6% Orijen Large Puppy: 1.5%-1.7% Orijen Adult: 1.4%-1.6% Acana Provincial Grasslands: Minimum 2% (no max given) Acana Provincial Pacifica: Minimum 1.4% (no max) Taste of the Wild - Pacific Stream: 1.9% Taste of the Wild - High Prairie: 2.1% EVO Chicken and Turkey: 2.55% Last edited by yukidomari; 26-11-2011 at 21:03.

26-11-2011, 23:19	#3
Priska182 Canadian Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 423	Big thanks to all of you! Well I learned that a too high level of protein is not suitable for a Large breed puppy... But I can't find the right %... The protein % is quite high in Orijen Large breed puppy (40%), and only 33% in Acana Large breed puppy. Indeed Baz, Acana price here is around 71CAD (51E) Taxes included, and about 83CAD (60E) for Orijen. "Some veterinary research suggests that feeding high protein dry foods to puppies may contribute to the development or exacerbation of musculoskeletal disorders (as excess calcium and overall calories are believed to). Equally there is veterinary research that suggests that high protein is not a factor (and we note that it does not appear to be a problem for puppies fed high protein natural raw diets)." __________________ Stéphanie www.inugami.ca

27-11-2011, 02:03	#4
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	I use this food, for all of my dogs, puppies and adults: http://www.diamondpet.com/products/d..._rice_formula/ I have used in the past: Orijen (nice food, but also had the soft poop issue with a couple of dogs - many of the fish based foods were like this) Innova Puppy (I liked this with Bongo and my A litter and would use it again) Barking at the Moon Grain Free (fish/soft poop issue) Taste of the Wild/High Prairie (I liked this one, but the price kept on going up...and up...and up - it would have been cheaper to feed totally raw , but this is difficult to get all of the ingredients where I live) I have been on Diamond for about 8 months now. I tried the Chicken/Performance (higher protein) version before the lamb, but like the lamb/puppy stuff better. I pay US$33 for 18 Kg (40 lbs) __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com Last edited by GalomyOak; 27-11-2011 at 02:09.

05-12-2011, 00:18	#6
Priska182 Canadian Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 423	Thanks Marcy and Nobrezabranca Well, I think I will try Acana + Raw... I hope it will be nice for him Thanks again to all of you __________________ Stéphanie www.inugami.ca

26-11-2011, 19:07	#1
Liidia Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Tartu Posts: 535	My dog eats NOW! grain free food.Look www.petcurean.com

30-11-2011, 08:59	#5
nobrezabranca Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Vila Nova de Gaia-Portugal Posts: 21	Hi,I use since sometime acana pacific mixed with raw meat.before I used proplan salmon.acana has no fish based food for puppies.I use it for both 10 months puppies and adults with exc results.orijen is better,but also 20Euro more expensive!since I give them also raw meat because I get it very cheap from a butcher that I know,in general it is cheaper for me to do so than to buy orijen.if I wouldn't buy any extra meat I would use orijen.with acana pacific the poo of my dogs is ok,but I also give them those big cow bones to eat/chew and this makes also the poo harder. so orijen better,then acana... I use the fish based food because due to its ingredients(fish oil,omegas,etc) it makes the coat look better...but this is only a detail...and they like it very much...again the raw meat for sure makes it also more delightful for them!