Warning for czech breeders again!

wolfin · 28/12/2011, 15h15

very sad and not good situation., BUT this is what happens when the breeder does not care about what would happen to his puppies and cares only about money

I hope CZ klub can stoped this and stronger control cz breeders. ( others too mas think about this who make)

Morian · 28/12/2011, 16h25

possibly the female is ambra z Všestudských plání, male is from aria osada draklem... i ask these breeders to contact me (pm)

Mist · 28/12/2011, 21h45

I just talked to the "z Vsestudskych plani" breeders. They are very sad about this situation and they are trying to solve this problem. They did not send the original pedigree certificate to Russia, so I do not know, how is possible to resell the puppy in Russia as puppy with pedigree.
I do not think, that Czech Club can do anything about it. The Club just can say "be careful to who you sell puppies...".

Morian · 28/12/2011, 21h50

mist! thank you very much! please tell them that this is very serious, please don't send them pedigree as minimum before they sign any contract which will ban changing of owner. as maximum - they can give them money back and we can take this pup away and bring him back to czech or find normal owners here (but not for 2500 eur of course).

they don't care for pedigree, this is russia, some things happening here seem incredible for european breeders, but they happen! aaimee II od uhoste was sold as "90% wolf mix"...

please tell to the breeder that we are ready to help. i spoke with monika blahova, the second pup is ambra from her...

Morian · 28/12/2011, 21h53

but be very careful - this julia is a fantastic lier! she has many different e-mail adresses, she talks with people from many false names...

Dayen · 29/12/2011, 01h00

Re-sellers are big problem. They don't tell a breeder about reselling, of course. Sometimes they can speak czech or slovak, seem like normal owners. To hope to find the truth about them in time, there is usually the only way - talk and talk and be carefull to catch some incoherence in their talking. I met few on phone and mail and everytime I'm sooooo angry...

But, sadly, there are also breeders who have no problem to sell two or more puppies or the whole litter to one person. I know about many cases over the years.

Those dogs went to many different countries, not only Russia. But what should kennel club do? Even FCI can do nothing with it.

Morian · 29/12/2011, 13h10

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21600

no comments...

this is very funny, but now we can see that this person is not healthy mentally and pups can be in real danger...

28/12/2011, 15h15	#1
wolfin Moderator Date d'inscription: September 2003 Localisation: Where the wolf lives Messages: 6 095	very sad and not good situation., BUT this is what happens when the breeder does not care about what would happen to his puppies and cares only about money I hope CZ klub can stoped this and stronger control cz breeders. ( others too mas think about this who make) __________________

28/12/2011, 16h25	#2
Morian Senior Member Date d'inscription: June 2009 Localisation: USSR Messages: 2 047	possibly the female is ambra z Všestudských plání, male is from aria osada draklem... i ask these breeders to contact me (pm) __________________

28/12/2011, 21h45	#3
Mist www.steelmaker.cz Date d'inscription: April 2009 Localisation: Davle, CZE Messages: 103	I just talked to the "z Vsestudskych plani" breeders. They are very sad about this situation and they are trying to solve this problem. They did not send the original pedigree certificate to Russia, so I do not know, how is possible to resell the puppy in Russia as puppy with pedigree. I do not think, that Czech Club can do anything about it. The Club just can say "be careful to who you sell puppies...". __________________ Michaela Stalmacherová CHS Steelmaker

28/12/2011, 21h50	#4
Morian Senior Member Date d'inscription: June 2009 Localisation: USSR Messages: 2 047	mist! thank you very much! please tell them that this is very serious, please don't send them pedigree as minimum before they sign any contract which will ban changing of owner. as maximum - they can give them money back and we can take this pup away and bring him back to czech or find normal owners here (but not for 2500 eur of course). they don't care for pedigree, this is russia, some things happening here seem incredible for european breeders, but they happen! aaimee II od uhoste was sold as "90% wolf mix"... please tell to the breeder that we are ready to help. i spoke with monika blahova, the second pup is ambra from her... __________________

28/12/2011, 21h53	#5
Morian Senior Member Date d'inscription: June 2009 Localisation: USSR Messages: 2 047	but be very careful - this julia is a fantastic lier! she has many different e-mail adresses, she talks with people from many false names... __________________

29/12/2011, 01h00	#6
Dayen Not so Junior Member Date d'inscription: March 2005 Localisation: Brno Messages: 202	Re-sellers are big problem. They don't tell a breeder about reselling, of course. Sometimes they can speak czech or slovak, seem like normal owners. To hope to find the truth about them in time, there is usually the only way - talk and talk and be carefull to catch some incoherence in their talking. I met few on phone and mail and everytime I'm sooooo angry... But, sadly, there are also breeders who have no problem to sell two or more puppies or the whole litter to one person. I know about many cases over the years. Those dogs went to many different countries, not only Russia. But what should kennel club do? Even FCI can do nothing with it. __________________ In wildness is the preservation of the world... So seek the wolf in thyself www.wolfdog.name

29/12/2011, 13h10	#7
Morian Senior Member Date d'inscription: June 2009 Localisation: USSR Messages: 2 047	http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21600 no comments... this is very funny, but now we can see that this person is not healthy mentally and pups can be in real danger... __________________