Demoniak de la Louve Blanche

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Originally Posted by Joswolf

Frank Capiez who had my wolfdogmix did speak fine English when i spoke with him. Who are you fooling around and asking if i had Demoniak, sorry i never said that i never seen that dog. And i never seen the so called parents but have you no eyes? Can you not tell an TWH from a mix. Or did a wild wolf climb the fence over night? The breeders who have TWH you think they are all stupid? And Frank i do not know you site and do not even know you had one. Can somebody tell me the HP?
But for the French, first try to read or use better translater. I never seen Demoniak. I never said i did. I only gave away a mix that somebody els brought to France. So not by me. I only called a few times to ask if he was doing ok. And the Frank from that phone number does very well know me. But you can contact me privately if you wish. Only not today.
My data is on www.wolf-auffang.de
My only concern was that the dog had a good life.
Jos

I think we can clear the problem easily - there are simply several American Wolfdogs and other kind of crosses and mixes used in France. So we do not have ONE or TWO cheated litters but it seems the pedigrees of many French dogs are fake.

You told about Unkas Flying breeze - the father of the C-litter (for example C'pouschka and Ckinay).

I think there is also information about Demoniak and his mother. Given by...FRANK...
In the year 2007 Frank announced on the internet advertising puppies of wolf mixes:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...5&postcount=16
On the photos was visible very dark (almost black) American Wolfdog female with puppies. Frank confirmed it:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...3&postcount=17
"for the other dog is not wolf but a wolfdog's friend ...and yu can see me with him in few time (new pictures arrives"

The female was very similar to Demoniak's offsprings. She had the same "black" colour as some of them - it is very specilic colour which do not appear by CsW but now you can see it by the French dogs. For example this male: http://www.wolfdog.org/site/en/dbase/d/13035
and this one:
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/en/dbase/d/13036

I think it is the mistake you make. The father of Demoniak is really Volos. But Yvanka is not his mother - the mother is the (almost) black AWD cross (co)owned by Frank and seen on the photos which Frank published on internet.

The same case repeated later:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...2&postcount=83
He advertised again his "CsW" litter showing not CsWs but American crosses with puppies. He removed the photos immediately when people started to talk about it:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...8&postcount=96
It is obvious that he was simply afraid that people will discover the truth...
Here you can see the copy:
http://web.archive.org/web/200804201...coslovaque.php
(on the photo "photo de cette portee de l annee 2005 parle d elle meme" were visible AWD(?) crosses)


Now we can already see that the American hybrids were REALLY used in his kennel and their offspring were registered as Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs (with fake pedigrees). Frank alone gave people the proofs confirming that he is using the mixes. And now we can see the results very well... It is hard to find pure CsW with his kennel name...

But Jos I can bet that your wolfcross which Frank took to France was also used. And he can be father of some other (cheated) de la Louve blanche litters.
There are many untypical dogs already seen in France where is obvious that they are mixes (it is visible already for begginers). I would not wonder if there will be several "lines" of any kinds of mongrels and crosses which were taken to France and put into CsW breeding under fake pedigrees.