Further Adventures of Pollux

yukidomari · 06-07-2012, 16:39

Really cool Pollux seems happy. Though I have to wonder, haven't you been going around telling everyone that Pollux is a mixed dog? So I'm a little confused what he is actually being represented as.

Gypsy Wolf · 14-07-2012, 03:42

Pollux is a CsV, though we think it's possible there is a little Saarloos in him

So when people ask what he is, his owner generally says "Czech Wolfdog" and I constantly hiss "Czechoslovakian VLCAK!" so Americans don't think he is a hybrid (a common thought - or they just walk by and I can hear them say "oh, yeah, that's definitely a wolf").
Interestingly, I finally persuaded his firefighter to join us at our Schutzhund club (it's only taken me a year to convince him SchH does NOT make a dog aggressive!)... my club members were THRILLED to see silly Pollux, and we all had a laugh --- the VERY FIRST thing he did when he got onto the training field was ANALLY MARK it. Too funny!
He didn't forget a thing - happily playing with our female "helper" and I was relieved that his firefighter now sees what I meant about Pollux enjoying the game and hanging out with the club...

AMERICANI · 28-07-2012, 02:43

What factors show the possibility of Saarloos content? Just curious...

tupacs2legs · 28-07-2012, 12:18

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Pollux is a CsV, though we think it's possible there is a little Saarloos in him

so he is MAINLY csv...not a pure csv.... thats just like me calling one of my crossbreeds a siberian husky even tho he has a little of other breeds in him

im very glad pollux is having a lovely life

Gypsy Wolf · 01-08-2012, 00:49

We believe he has some Saarloos as he exhibits some phenotypic differences and certainly behavioral differences... very "wolfy" - skittish...

jmvdwiel · 01-08-2012, 08:39

I don't likt it that you are saying that he is a saarloos cross. If you want to know if that is true, if he is a cross with a red saarloos you can do an DNA test for the B locus!
Otherwise don't say he is a cross that way you insult the breeder.
Skittish behaviour you can also find in pure breed CSW, although this should not be the due to the breed standard.
Gossip wil stay Gossip until proven that it is the truth.

GalomyOak · 01-08-2012, 16:16

Not to open an old can of worms, but I have heard distant rumors that an official DNA test is/was to be done for Y Crying Wolf litter...I think this should clear things up one way or another?

Gypsy Wolf · 01-08-2012, 20:35

I have enough "evidence" from credible sources to believe Pollux has some Saarloos blood in him through his Y litter dam. I have no interest in exposing those sources, nor do I care enough to go through the expense of a DNA analysis that may or may not prove anything (particularly if the Saarloos was not a "red").
He has not been registered, is neutered, and would not have been bred anyway, due to his character faults, that he is a DM Carrier, and if indeed the Y litter ends up being tested and positive for Saarloos genetics, his registration/titles and any offspring's registration/titles would be null and void.
We do not care one way or another whether or not Pollux has Saarloos in there or not. He is in a very loving, PATIENT and happy home, is kept active and stimulated and continues to be socialized extensively in an attempt to improve his temperament issues.
I am not insulting the breeder - sometimes "oops" breedings happen - without the breeder's knowledge and as both breeds are very similar, such an accidental "mix" would not necessarily be evident until adulthood - if even then. I am sure there was no attempt to intentionally fool us. He has enough Saarloos traits to lead me to believe there may be some in there, and as far as I know the Y litter question has not been answered. At this point enough time has gone by and the things we wanted to do with him initially no longer apply, so it doesn't matter to us whether his is 100% Vlcak or not.
We love him, goofy personality and all, and I believe that is the only thing that really matters.

06-07-2012, 16:39	#1
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Really cool Pollux seems happy. Though I have to wonder, haven't you been going around telling everyone that Pollux is a mixed dog? So I'm a little confused what he is actually being represented as. __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

01-08-2012, 08:39	#6
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	I don't likt it that you are saying that he is a saarloos cross. If you want to know if that is true, if he is a cross with a red saarloos you can do an DNA test for the B locus! Otherwise don't say he is a cross that way you insult the breeder. Skittish behaviour you can also find in pure breed CSW, although this should not be the due to the breed standard. Gossip wil stay Gossip until proven that it is the truth. Last edited by jmvdwiel; 01-08-2012 at 08:42.

01-08-2012, 16:16	#7
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	Not to open an old can of worms, but I have heard distant rumors that an official DNA test is/was to be done for Y Crying Wolf litter...I think this should clear things up one way or another? __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

14-07-2012, 03:42	#2
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Pollux is a CsV, though we think it's possible there is a little Saarloos in him So when people ask what he is, his owner generally says "Czech Wolfdog" and I constantly hiss "Czechoslovakian VLCAK!" so Americans don't think he is a hybrid (a common thought - or they just walk by and I can hear them say "oh, yeah, that's definitely a wolf"). Interestingly, I finally persuaded his firefighter to join us at our Schutzhund club (it's only taken me a year to convince him SchH does NOT make a dog aggressive!)... my club members were THRILLED to see silly Pollux, and we all had a laugh --- the VERY FIRST thing he did when he got onto the training field was ANALLY MARK it. Too funny! He didn't forget a thing - happily playing with our female "helper" and I was relieved that his firefighter now sees what I meant about Pollux enjoying the game and hanging out with the club...

28-07-2012, 02:43	#3
AMERICANI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 111	What factors show the possibility of Saarloos content? Just curious...

01-08-2012, 00:49	#5
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	We believe he has some Saarloos as he exhibits some phenotypic differences and certainly behavioral differences... very "wolfy" - skittish...

01-08-2012, 20:35	#8
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	I have enough "evidence" from credible sources to believe Pollux has some Saarloos blood in him through his Y litter dam. I have no interest in exposing those sources, nor do I care enough to go through the expense of a DNA analysis that may or may not prove anything (particularly if the Saarloos was not a "red"). He has not been registered, is neutered, and would not have been bred anyway, due to his character faults, that he is a DM Carrier, and if indeed the Y litter ends up being tested and positive for Saarloos genetics, his registration/titles and any offspring's registration/titles would be null and void. We do not care one way or another whether or not Pollux has Saarloos in there or not. He is in a very loving, PATIENT and happy home, is kept active and stimulated and continues to be socialized extensively in an attempt to improve his temperament issues. I am not insulting the breeder - sometimes "oops" breedings happen - without the breeder's knowledge and as both breeds are very similar, such an accidental "mix" would not necessarily be evident until adulthood - if even then. I am sure there was no attempt to intentionally fool us. He has enough Saarloos traits to lead me to believe there may be some in there, and as far as I know the Y litter question has not been answered. At this point enough time has gone by and the things we wanted to do with him initially no longer apply, so it doesn't matter to us whether his is 100% Vlcak or not. We love him, goofy personality and all, and I believe that is the only thing that really matters.