Tamaskan CsW crossing

[Koos]

Unbelieveble!!!!

It is amazing to see and hear that Kaylee van Goverwelle, as a puppy sold to Stephanie Korthout of the kennel van 't Aelse Sluske, will be used for this kind of mixes.

We are very sad about this and will have nothing to do with this.

Letty and Koos de Graaff
Kennel van Goverwelle

[Rona]

What are the legal consequences of such (mis)behaviour in the Netherlands?

Will the breeder be able to remain a member of the CSV Breed Club and National (FCI affiliated) Kennel Club after such mix pups are born?

[mijke]

@Rona: I really don’t know yet at this moment!

Also the board of the Dutch club was today shocked about the news of this planned CsW mix crossing of a Dutch breeder.

The club also confirms that kennel van Goverwelle have nothing to do with this!
It is very sad kennel van 't Aelse Sluske also harms the name of kennel van Goverwelle with using a female of them for this mix (instead of using a CsW of the breeding line of her own).

[Shadowlands]

Advertising so blatently that you are planning to do this is shocking!

I wonder if it would be possible to petition the FCI to bring in a ruling whereby any kennel proven to crossbreed is 'struck off' permanently? It needs to be FCI wide, not dependant on individual country breed clubs.

[Azazel]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Advertising so blatently that you are planning to do this is shocking!

nah.. it's just plain dumb...
Not so shocking when you know the breeder..

[Ligerwolve2]

Sorry I dont see the issue.

A new breed in the making with open stud books needs new blood. They SHOULD use dogs with a known history. So health and temperament is easier to predict.

How do you think the CzW came about? Careful crossbreeding.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Ligerwolve2

Sorry I dont see the issue.

A new breed in the making with open stud books needs new blood. They SHOULD use dogs with a known history. So health and temperament is easier to predict.

How do you think the CzW came about? Careful crossbreeding.

I only hope you're joking Comparing that unfortunate amateur cross to a carefully designed several-year-long scientific project, where massive funding, conditions for hybrid training and selection + cooperation with dog trainers, top specialists in kynology, veterinary and biology, etc. were secured, in my opinion is a sign of ...ignorance.

No early hybrids in PS kennel in former Czechlovakia were let into private hands. Early experiments to let the CSVs live in private homes occured after a few generations of careful selection. Here the litter is advertised as any other. How can you be so naive as to speak about new breed creation?

BTW Where are Stephanie's diplomas in genetic studies or veterinary or biology? Where is the team of people ready do train and test the pups, to make selection decisions and neuter the pups that do not meet the expectations? How much experience does Stephanie have in dog training or breeding? How many healthy, typical pups has she bred? Where are the exam results of her dogs and dogs carrying her kennel name? And last, but not least:
has Slovakian Kennel Club, the guardian of the breed, agreed to use a pure CSV in such "experiment"?

I'm not sure what the legal situation in the Nethereland is, but in Poland such kennel would be banned from the FCI National Kennel Club, the female used for unethical breeding would legally become a mongrel i.e. could not participate in dog shows, or be bred on in the future - i.e. her litters would not be registered. What's more - the female could never be re-registered in another FCI affiliated KC member's name in the future. In other words - even if the "experiment" failed, the breeder would lose forever a nice female for honest, ethical breeding. Very risky enterprise!

Not to mention that she would lose trust and credibility of decent and honest CSV breeders all over the world, which is really hard to be regained.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by mijke

Also the board of the Dutch club was today shocked about the news of this planned CsW mix crossing of a Dutch breeder.

No wonder the Dutch club is surprised. Maybe Stephanie K. counts on the effect, i.e. that the Club members are so shocked, that they won't react

[leila]

Shame on the breeder! But the FCI can stop this, no? They are breeding mixes and this is against the FCI rules...