Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs-Australia

Ligerwolve2 · 11-12-2012, 12:40

Why dont you answer my questions first?

Second, nice lol. Ok Im not going to give out sensitive information of where my dog came from but yes she is what people refer to as a wolfdog. As in a breed that was a cross of wolf to GSD. They have been breeding for nearly as long as the CzW but for working dogs. You are aware that there is a working dog register here in Australia?

Yes they are very responsible. They have to be. More responsible than most breeders and certainly put in more effort than the breeder of your pups I can assure you. Careful genetic testing was carried out.

You wont find anything about them online by the way. I wouldnt bother. Whether you believe me or not is besides the point. You know there is a term for people who defend their own actions by redirecting. My dog isnt in question. My dog was never bred from EVER. I never claimed her to be anything then what she is. I have her papers that detail everything but no I wont share them with you

I dont need to. Im not breeding.

If you would like to ask about the GSDs I do breed go ahead.

Slander LOL. You keep throwing that around but you cant take some one to court over repeating what you said publicly. The breeder said they COULD be crosses. The breeder said that and has not said otherwise. So yes they could be pure but they may not be.

I think you have 0 understanding of breeding. Or of the sheer number of dogs PTS every single day. One stat says 20, 000 animals. A responsible person cares about where the pups end up. A responsible person cares about the dogs they breed and the suffering an animal can go through because of genetic disorders.

Yeah you should listen because all you have demonstrated so far is that you dont care where they came from only that you got what YOU wanted NOW. Your dogs do not have papers. You cannot say they are CzWs for sure. Only cross. Thats what happens when you rush and put your desires above the dogs you claim to love. No better than buying a pup in a pet shop.

If the dogs are pedigree where are the papers? From what I understand there are non.

There is alot to be desired and I suggest you go read DOL a bit more. I dare you to go there and ask the same question LOL. Ive tried to be nice to you but what ever

11-12-2012, 13:41

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Originally Posted by Ligerwolve2

Why dont you answer my questions first?

Second, nice lol. Ok Im not going to give out sensitive information of where my dog came from but yes she is what people refer to as a wolfdog. As in a breed that was a cross of wolf to GSD. They have been breeding for nearly as long as the CzW but for working dogs. You are aware that there is a working dog register here in Australia?

Yes they are very responsible. They have to be. More responsible than most breeders and certainly put in more effort than the breeder of your pups I can assure you. Careful genetic testing was carried out.

You wont find anything about them online by the way. I wouldnt bother. Whether you believe me or not is besides the point. You know there is a term for people who defend their own actions by redirecting. My dog isnt in question. My dog was never bred from EVER. I never claimed her to be anything then what she is. I have her papers that detail everything but no I wont share them with you

I dont need to. Im not breeding.

If you would like to ask about the GSDs I do breed go ahead.

Slander LOL. You keep throwing that around but you cant take some one to court over repeating what you said publicly. The breeder said they COULD be crosses. The breeder said that and has not said otherwise. So yes they could be pure but they may not be.

I think you have 0 understanding of breeding. Or of the sheer number of dogs PTS every single day. One stat says 20, 000 animals. A responsible person cares about where the pups end up. A responsible person cares about the dogs they breed and the suffering an animal can go through because of genetic disorders.

Yeah you should listen because all you have demonstrated so far is that you dont care where they came from only that you got what YOU wanted NOW. Your dogs do not have papers. You cannot say they are CzWs for sure. Only cross. Thats what happens when you rush and put your desires above the dogs you claim to love. No better than buying a pup in a pet shop.

If the dogs are pedigree where are the papers? From what I understand there are non.

There is alot to be desired and I suggest you go read DOL a bit more. I dare you to go there and ask the same question LOL. Ive tried to be nice to you but what ever

It's ravens spirit in Germany that can sue as they've been publically accused of fraud and mixing by some people on this thread WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

My dogs don't have papers? Yes they do. How would you know anyway. The info has even been posted onto the wolfdog database.

Also your so called "wolfdog"/"czechoslovakian shepherd" is nothing but deception. I'm experienced with these so called Czech shepherds, all they are is German shepherds, probably being exported out of Czech Republic or Slovakia. I don't know how you think they have foundation Czw stock in them, were breeders of them supposed to have gotten the stock from the military? If its not lies it wouldn't be so private. There is nothing "top secret" about dog breeding unless you're trying to hide something.

I find it very arrogant of you to constantly question me. When I've provided photos, I've provided links to the pedigree and explained myself. You however claim to have owned some possible mix or just normal German shepherd, called it a wolfdog, said the name was a czechoslovakian shepherd (which doesn't even exist) and then won't even show pictures, or tell any information about them because its "private". Well making it so very "private" seems like a good way to not let people know about yours or the breeders lies.

Also I understand you enquired about owning one of these Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and it never went through? I guess the breeder was just selecting for responsible owners.

Ligerwolve2 · 11-12-2012, 13:57

Simply because this thread is about CzWs and breeding them in Australia. I do not have one or have any to breed.

You havent answered a single question of mine.

What you have as I understand it is a printed out pedigree created on the computer of the breeder? Yes or no?

Do you have the ACTUAL papers. Not peices of paper. Because there are non registered here. So your puppies cannot have pedigree papers. I would geniunely like to know if the the parents do. Honestly Id like to but considering neither you or the breeder have shown this I dont know what you expect people to think?

I never said she was a Czech German Shepherd. They are just a particular line of GSD - who you may not know this but they too were actually called Alsation wolfdog im Australia lol. So even if she was just a GSD yes I could call her a wolfdog and be correct lol. I have always said I loved my beautiful wolfdog (RIP) and that I wanted a papered CzW. Because they are SIMILAR to her and the closest I will ever get to anything like her. I am doing the right thing. Are you?

When did you ask for a photo?

What does my dog have to do with breeding CzWs in Australia???

Ive been nothing but co-operative with your questions how about you be a bit forthcoming and honest and try the same.

Ligerwolve2 · 11-12-2012, 14:00

Actually I never asked for a pup. I emailed some questions that were of course ignored.

Also a number of people called to enquire because they were interested and the only questions the breeder asked were about money. Then they sent me messages asking if it was legit since that was claimed. I said actually there is doubt.

Ligerwolve2 · 11-12-2012, 14:01

So called Czech Shepherds LMAO. ROFL.

Ligerwolve2 · 11-12-2012, 14:08

You would know I emailed the breeder I said so myself on DOL. I also emailed when they contacted ME about the litter.

Here is my email:

Hi XXXX

Thank you for letting me know about your litter.

Id like to ask you a couple of questions.

What health tests have the parents had?

Are the parents available to view?

Also what screening process are you using for puppy buyers?

Do you have both bitches and dogs available?

Will they be desexed or not?

Sorry to be upfront but its important information before buying a pup.

Regards.

As you can see I never asked for a pup. Had he bothered to reply and give reasonable answers that is what I would have told people. People who may have wanted a pup. However no one that asked me bothered because his behaviour screams BYB. Im glad they didnt either.

11-12-2012, 14:24

There is no such thing as a Czechoslocakian Shepherd, end of story. I know German Shepherds were at one point called Alsation Wolfdogs. But a German Shepherd is now more correctly a dog as there is no recent wolf heritage in them, well not as recent as CzW anyway.

I haven't asked for photos, but I saw people on the forums have asked multiple times and you never produced them. Again, seems fishy. But why are you so private? What are you hiding?

I'm simply bringing this up as you quite obviously are liening or making out you owned something that was related to Czw, when its wasn't. If you're going to do that, atleast don't call them a Czechoslocakian Shepherd, when Czechoslocakian Shepherds are known to be what misleading breeders call they're German shepherds that were born in former Czechoslovakia. You claim they have czw in them, which is most likely lies, not only because I know what Czechoslocakian Shepherds are, but because there is no record of the military supplying czw stock to breeders, so they could basically breed them back to German Shepherds thus basically creating German shepherds again.

Also regarding the email you sent to the breeder, if I'd been him I would of ignored you as well. You asked if the pups would be desexed! obviously you know nothing about the breed, the best time to bring home a pup is 8 weeks, as this is when they are at a good age to leave their parents and settle in to a new family. If they leave later than that, you'll have all sorts of fitting in problems. We got our male at 8 weeks and our female at 4 months and I can tell you now, if we hadn't already had our male there, she would not of fitted in well at all, atleast not In the short term. So to suggest that the breeder has the pups desexed before 8 weeks clearly shows how ignorant and irresponsible you are. Good thing you were ignored.

Ligerwolve2 · 11-12-2012, 14:39

ROFL. So basically Im reading "I cant answer any questions of your so I will attack your dog even though you are not breeding her and not relevant to this discussion at all but I need desperately to redirect".

If you knew anything about breeding you would know SOME breeders do desex before 8 weeks so it is absolutely important to establish this before enquiring after a pup. Non of my dogs have been desexed at 8 weeks and you pointing the finger only shows how desperate you are.

You could at least enquire what my point of view is before accusing me of it LOL.

I bet you are Mystic. Funny they only joined after I joined in here and thats the only post.

Oh and your wrong I have posted photos of her on DOL and my FB. Perhaps you ought to get some kind of facts.

I have been upfront about my dog.

I see no point discussing her further. Me owning her has nothing to do with this breeder in the slightest. STAY ON TOPIC!!! Im allowed to own different breeds by the way

I still hope the actual breeder comes on here and clears things up. Id still like to believe its just all some sort of misunderstanding and they do infact care. You are only making me believe everyone else here is right and something not quite right is going on here.

11-12-2012, 14:24	#7
Wolves Guest Posts: n/a	There is no such thing as a Czechoslocakian Shepherd, end of story. I know German Shepherds were at one point called Alsation Wolfdogs. But a German Shepherd is now more correctly a dog as there is no recent wolf heritage in them, well not as recent as CzW anyway. I haven't asked for photos, but I saw people on the forums have asked multiple times and you never produced them. Again, seems fishy. But why are you so private? What are you hiding? I'm simply bringing this up as you quite obviously are liening or making out you owned something that was related to Czw, when its wasn't. If you're going to do that, atleast don't call them a Czechoslocakian Shepherd, when Czechoslocakian Shepherds are known to be what misleading breeders call they're German shepherds that were born in former Czechoslovakia. You claim they have czw in them, which is most likely lies, not only because I know what Czechoslocakian Shepherds are, but because there is no record of the military supplying czw stock to breeders, so they could basically breed them back to German Shepherds thus basically creating German shepherds again. Also regarding the email you sent to the breeder, if I'd been him I would of ignored you as well. You asked if the pups would be desexed! obviously you know nothing about the breed, the best time to bring home a pup is 8 weeks, as this is when they are at a good age to leave their parents and settle in to a new family. If they leave later than that, you'll have all sorts of fitting in problems. We got our male at 8 weeks and our female at 4 months and I can tell you now, if we hadn't already had our male there, she would not of fitted in well at all, atleast not In the short term. So to suggest that the breeder has the pups desexed before 8 weeks clearly shows how ignorant and irresponsible you are. Good thing you were ignored. Last edited by Wolves; 11-12-2012 at 14:26.

11-12-2012, 12:40	#1
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Why dont you answer my questions first? Second, nice lol. Ok Im not going to give out sensitive information of where my dog came from but yes she is what people refer to as a wolfdog. As in a breed that was a cross of wolf to GSD. They have been breeding for nearly as long as the CzW but for working dogs. You are aware that there is a working dog register here in Australia? Yes they are very responsible. They have to be. More responsible than most breeders and certainly put in more effort than the breeder of your pups I can assure you. Careful genetic testing was carried out. You wont find anything about them online by the way. I wouldnt bother. Whether you believe me or not is besides the point. You know there is a term for people who defend their own actions by redirecting. My dog isnt in question. My dog was never bred from EVER. I never claimed her to be anything then what she is. I have her papers that detail everything but no I wont share them with you I dont need to. Im not breeding. If you would like to ask about the GSDs I do breed go ahead. Slander LOL. You keep throwing that around but you cant take some one to court over repeating what you said publicly. The breeder said they COULD be crosses. The breeder said that and has not said otherwise. So yes they could be pure but they may not be. I think you have 0 understanding of breeding. Or of the sheer number of dogs PTS every single day. One stat says 20, 000 animals. A responsible person cares about where the pups end up. A responsible person cares about the dogs they breed and the suffering an animal can go through because of genetic disorders. Yeah you should listen because all you have demonstrated so far is that you dont care where they came from only that you got what YOU wanted NOW. Your dogs do not have papers. You cannot say they are CzWs for sure. Only cross. Thats what happens when you rush and put your desires above the dogs you claim to love. No better than buying a pup in a pet shop. If the dogs are pedigree where are the papers? From what I understand there are non. There is alot to be desired and I suggest you go read DOL a bit more. I dare you to go there and ask the same question LOL. Ive tried to be nice to you but what ever

11-12-2012, 13:57	#3
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Simply because this thread is about CzWs and breeding them in Australia. I do not have one or have any to breed. You havent answered a single question of mine. What you have as I understand it is a printed out pedigree created on the computer of the breeder? Yes or no? Do you have the ACTUAL papers. Not peices of paper. Because there are non registered here. So your puppies cannot have pedigree papers. I would geniunely like to know if the the parents do. Honestly Id like to but considering neither you or the breeder have shown this I dont know what you expect people to think? I never said she was a Czech German Shepherd. They are just a particular line of GSD - who you may not know this but they too were actually called Alsation wolfdog im Australia lol. So even if she was just a GSD yes I could call her a wolfdog and be correct lol. I have always said I loved my beautiful wolfdog (RIP) and that I wanted a papered CzW. Because they are SIMILAR to her and the closest I will ever get to anything like her. I am doing the right thing. Are you? When did you ask for a photo? What does my dog have to do with breeding CzWs in Australia??? Ive been nothing but co-operative with your questions how about you be a bit forthcoming and honest and try the same.

11-12-2012, 14:00	#4
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Actually I never asked for a pup. I emailed some questions that were of course ignored. Also a number of people called to enquire because they were interested and the only questions the breeder asked were about money. Then they sent me messages asking if it was legit since that was claimed. I said actually there is doubt.

11-12-2012, 14:01	#5
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	So called Czech Shepherds LMAO. ROFL.

11-12-2012, 14:08	#6
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	You would know I emailed the breeder I said so myself on DOL. I also emailed when they contacted ME about the litter. Here is my email: Hi XXXX Thank you for letting me know about your litter. Id like to ask you a couple of questions. What health tests have the parents had? Are the parents available to view? Also what screening process are you using for puppy buyers? Do you have both bitches and dogs available? Will they be desexed or not? Sorry to be upfront but its important information before buying a pup. Regards. As you can see I never asked for a pup. Had he bothered to reply and give reasonable answers that is what I would have told people. People who may have wanted a pup. However no one that asked me bothered because his behaviour screams BYB. Im glad they didnt either.

11-12-2012, 14:39	#8
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	ROFL. So basically Im reading "I cant answer any questions of your so I will attack your dog even though you are not breeding her and not relevant to this discussion at all but I need desperately to redirect". If you knew anything about breeding you would know SOME breeders do desex before 8 weeks so it is absolutely important to establish this before enquiring after a pup. Non of my dogs have been desexed at 8 weeks and you pointing the finger only shows how desperate you are. You could at least enquire what my point of view is before accusing me of it LOL. I bet you are Mystic. Funny they only joined after I joined in here and thats the only post. Oh and your wrong I have posted photos of her on DOL and my FB. Perhaps you ought to get some kind of facts. I have been upfront about my dog. I see no point discussing her further. Me owning her has nothing to do with this breeder in the slightest. STAY ON TOPIC!!! Im allowed to own different breeds by the way I still hope the actual breeder comes on here and clears things up. Id still like to believe its just all some sort of misunderstanding and they do infact care. You are only making me believe everyone else here is right and something not quite right is going on here.