where you keep a wolfdog during winter: outdoor or in house.

[AMERICANI]

Considering the fact I have 9, I rotate them out. Our winters really have nothing on places like Poland So, the cold really isn't an issue. As far as the consideration of the nature within ourselves. as well as our dogs, the select ones for the time come in, but follow rules. The bond grows so much stronger when you maximize interaction with them. 9 is too many, and 3 are actually select for placing with other families. I don't have kids, don't closely interact with anyone with kids, or (for the moment) intend on having any. I relate my "pack" structure to the military, which is the lifestyle I am most accustomed to. My dogs don't sleep on the bed, they don't beg for food at the table, and they sit until released before welcoming guests or going out. I feel horrible that I can't spend 100% of my time with each one 100% of the time. CsVs are not wolves, but they do have more of the innate requirement to have a role within the pack than most dogs.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

Considering the fact I have 9, I rotate them out. Our winters really have nothing on places like Poland .

I thought we were talking about vlcaks in Romania?

As far as I know, the vast majority of Polish owners keep their vlcaks indoors, and it has nothing to do with climate. We simply enjoy the company of our dogs. They are part of the family/pack Of course it doesn't mean the dog should not obey the commands and leave the couch or room every time when told to do so.

BTW I've always found it hard to understand how it was possible that a vlcak escaped from its home/pack. I can imagine this now, after having read how some pups are brought up.

[Tana]

Greetings, wow so many answers... In all af them i saw one thing:what a lot of people believe about their dogs, I saw a lot of human desires and hopes about their dogs. Nobody answered to the simply question, why the wolfdog was created in fact by the army and how much is their dog close to the natural way to live of their ancestors ? Is nothing about their hair inside the house and nothing about their POOP. Rona you know so much about our country or dogs,but in fact you do not know nothing. You presume everything and that is wrong. You will tell me Rona, that a wolfdog is like a cat when he want to poop?Wolfdog is a dog full of energy, but nobody tells nothing about the fact that they are some cute little "tasmanian devils" when they are small. They find a great pleasure in chewing everything they can reach. You can't relax too much when you know you can't let this dog home alone and to expect to find everything right when you come home. I am sorry but the truth is that this dog is made to be outside where he can explore and behave like a dog not like a cat and where are not so many restrictions like inside. I agree, the best is to go with your dog in wilderness, is where she/he is really happy. This is a second proof that wolfdog is happy outside the room , the house, even the garden can be too small for him. So i will keep the dog outside my house all the time. I was just curious to see how many did the same. Romania is not Syberia, the weather is like in all other central european countries so she will be fine outside. Now she has 5 months and she is outside for almost 2 months and half. My oppinion is that she will be more healthy and tough in long terms than a dog living inside. e will judge. I have 3 dogs with Tana and all of them live outside in the winter and play. No human can play with a dog like dogs play with each other so i think all are just fine. A nice day to you all

[vila]

You should show some respect to a person with as much experience with Vlcaks as Rona. Unfortunately accidents with poop happen, but if you are unable to teach your dog house rules, maybe the answer isn't to lock the dogs outside the house but maybe you shouldn't own dogs? You do know that you must take the dogs for walks right? So they don't poop and pee indoor. Sounds like the big yard is just an excuse? ... And don't you even for one moment start to argue the history of the breed, because you obviously don't know much. Sure Vlcaks were created for a military purpose, it was an experiment but unfortunately that experiment failed, they didn't create the dog they wanted. It wasn't a disaster but they didn't know realistically what to expect. A Vlcak is far more a family dog than it is an unaffectionate robotic winter machine. You asked for advice, most people said their Vlcak is part of the family, part of the house and in some cases even part of the bed you go ahead and keep them out, probably the dogs will do just fine... I just don't understand how you can have big dogs and be bothered by some poop? ...And your dogs don't understand either.

[Tana]

You too are presuming too much vila, i have dogs in my yard for more than 14 years, a informed myself about this wolfdog, more than you can ever imagine. I love them and they love me but they are not my puppets. My house is for my family not to be servant of a dog and clean his poop and hair. I doubt yours smell so good if you keep the dog inside and i doubt is quite healthy to live with hair, poop and a dog who must watch all the time like a guardian to keep your cables safe. I do not have respect for falsity, because the reality is in a diversity of colours not only rose. If you keep a dog that you think is a failed experiment, you should not keep dogs like that not i. Maybe your dog is a "failed experiment", but stay away from mine which is raised like it must be. You should read the description of the wolfdog in wikipedia and ask yourself if you still own a wolf dog or a cat. Very funny, so only because my dog lives outdoor is a "unaffectionate robotic winter machine", haha, ask army -you discovered a new dog for star wars )) Have fun vila nothing more to say to you

[avgrunn]

Tana do you think that all of us who have dogs at home have also poo, bad smell and hair at home? And that our dogs destroy everything so we can't leave them alone ven for a second?

[Tana]

yes avgrunn, do not be upset with me, but i think if they are still dogs and not lazy wolfcats, they like to run, jump, search ,dig, smell, they like to work and hunt birds, cats, play and bite with other dogs. A man who is in his pack can't bite like dogs when they play with each other, right? ) Is a kind a falsity to say ,if you sleep with a dog in the bed, that you are in the same pack with him. Maybe a human pack for your taste, but sure not for a wolfdog taste. Look at the documentary with that guy named wolf man .Inside house they can't behave like a dog, without being annoying or distructive so they are not really happy, we are happy. In house they cannot hide for example a bone under grass .Where to hide their precious bone in the house? Under carpet? )She wolf Tana at 5 months is full of energy and joy, a really small and cute devil. I think a wolfdog enjoy winter like a husky.

[vila]

Ahahhahahah, you informed yourself about Vlcaks through Wikipedia?! Aahahhaha, you just proved my point. Of course puppies will make mistakes. We don't have a big back yard, so our Vila has to be walked and exercised and learn new things every day for several hours, so she learned and now she is calm indoors and isn't a problem. Adult dogs don't poop in houses if they only have little respect for you and are being walked regularly. A lot people live with dogs in houses, you think all of them have poop laying around and dogs do their business all over the place? You are very disillusioned it is almost sad. Of course you can keep you dogs outside, just the reason is silly! What an expert. You maybe had dogs for 14 years locked outside, but sadly that only makes you an owner. Having lived with Vila i'm her teacher and companion. How can you ignore all posts here, not only mine, but also this nice picture from avgrunn. Everybody here is trying to tell you, you are missing out, also you dogs are. Please don't be angry, just try to understand this point of view. I didn't like poop and chewing also, but I was persistant with training. I know your puppy is also hard to handle now, maybe when she's a little older and calmer at least give her a chance for few hours every other day and teach her house rules, maybe you'll be surprised.

About the video, we all saw it, we all know Vlcaks are a working breed, but still it doesn't prove they don't like to rest with their human pack. I'm doing canicross, gonna try skijoring now because Vila loves running with other dogs. She thinks she's in a pack what are you planning to do with your puppy?

Think happy thoughts,
Ivan

[Tana]

vila i informed myself from many sources not only wikipedia... that was only a reminder for you. I think for you this race is "failed" because you forget what purpose has at beginning.It was a dog for army, for rescue in the cold mountains. You laugh to hear only yourself... I browsed many pages , I watched a lot of documentary not only about wolfdogs but also living in pack with wolves, the wolf pack mentality, I know all the history related with wolfdog, I watched also documentary with cezar milan and choosed this race. I searched a dog for many years, to be close of White Fang, if you know the story, because my old dog Tasha has 14 years old now. She is not from pure race, is a small dog but she is still a good mother who can learn any puppy "the dog way" if i may say so. Is also a proud and very good guardian of our house for many years. A man cannot teach a dog how to behave like an older dog...you are a loser forever in this competition, i am sorry, you just do not see the reality. She is outside but not locked like yours in the house...she is free to taste, experience mistakes and learn under Tasha eye. If you walk your dog is not enough, is not the same like letting him the freedom of doing dogs things, that are not your human ones, like digging holes or hauling? Do you dig holes for your dog to make him happy or you walk with him to be you happy?See the difference?)Why to be upset? If a lot of people jump, i must jump too because you say so or others? No thanks. If you are many you think the truth is all yours? Wrong. The reality means diversity of oppinions. If you have a small yard and take care of your dog as best as you can, is fine for him and you. But do not pretend this is the best in the world because is not. I think the nature is the supreme judge here because we all are created in nature. A wolfdog raised outside, close to the nature is better prepared for living in nature, for surviving to the challenges if you want, than one living inside house where is the human teritory. I hope you understand me but i doubt it. Same for others. This is my oppinnion and i am sorry you do not accept other oppinions than yours old ones, but i keep it )I hope only that you do not kill me or push me because i do not want to jump :P

[avgrunn]

Well, so I guess my vlcak has no idea what he was created for , coz after some time spent outside he always knocks to our front window to let him in and then he greets us and lays very close to us.
He is a dog who prefers to be with us than alone outside.
Proof:

That is how he prefers to sleep, close to his human not outside

[Tana]

I am sorry but i like more those who save others life instead of sleeping like a lazy cat, any dog can do this of course, no need to be wolfdog can be a cute bichon, still the cat is the best, no matter what:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQPFtilcgFY

[avgrunn]

Originally Posted by Tana

I am sorry but i like more those who save others life instead of sleeping like a lazy cat, any dog can do this of course, no need to be wolfdog can be a cute bichon, still the cat is the best, no matter what

Are your dogs saving lives? Or do you just like that type?

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Tana

I am sorry but i like more those who save others life instead of sleeping like a lazy cat, any dog can do this of course, no need to be wolfdog can be a cute bichon, still the cat is the best, no matter what:

Haha, why don't you ask Mijke where she keeps up her vlcaks? Maybe this will open you eyes.

[mijke]

Originally Posted by Rona

Haha, why don't you ask Mijke where she keeps up her vlcaks? Maybe this will open you eyes.

A photo impression how I keep my Vlcaks

Waiting during Water Rescue Training


Sleeping during Day time


During our party time


During TV watching


During Daytime


During painting our room


During holliday time


During having a litter time


During computer time


During waiting for Avalanche training


My dogs love to work ánd to be family members

In our house they also can choose for several benches (with open doors) to sleep. Only in the night and when nobody is at home the doors are closed.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Tana

I am sorry but i like more those who save others life instead of sleeping like a lazy cat, any dog can do this of course, no need to be wolfdog can be a cute bichon, still the cat is the best, no matter what:

I think that the ability to work is more dependent on training and genetics through breeding, then does on whether a dog is treated like an integrated part of a family or simply lives outside ...

[Shadowlands]

oops - sorry...

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Tana

You will tell me Rona, that a wolfdog is like a cat when he want to poop?Wolfdog is a dog full of energy, but nobody tells nothing about the fact that they are some cute little "tasmanian devils" when they are small. They find a great pleasure in chewing everything they can reach. You can't relax too much when you know you can't let this dog home alone and to expect to find everything right when you come home. I am sorry but the truth is that this dog is made to be outside where he can explore and behave like a dog not like a cat and where are not so many restrictions like inside.

How long have you got a vlcak, 5 months? And you seriously claim you know anything about them? That's realy a good joke!
I clearly see you have a serious problem - you tend to think you know everything best. I don't want to sound negative but such approach is not very practical with this breed. I won't tell you why, you'll find it yourself sooner or later, .

I'm asking again: why have you started this topic if you wanted to hear one answer? It's your dog and you may keep her where you want. Experienced owners expressed their opinions, but you don't believe them. Fine with me - I respect your right to make mistakes.

[Tana]

I'm asking again: why have you started this topic if you wanted to hear one answer? It's your dog and you may keep her where you want. Experienced owners expressed their opinions, but you don't believe them. Fine with me - I respect your right to make mistakes.[/quote]
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I was just curious to see how many think a wolfdog must be raised outside and how many think is better inside. So if i have my oppinion different than your, why you care so much and presume so many stupid things about me or my country?! Do you really think that such dog who slept all his life in the house, if some day is lost in the wilderness, is able to survive and adapt, instead of being a good prey for other animals, including wolves? My respect for this race means to keep the natural abilities of wolfdog intact if i can. So i am sorry but I can't believe a dog raised to sleep like a lazy cat in the owner's bed can still survive and be accepted in a wolf pack, like the one in the documentary, not even that is able to hunt for his own food. Also in my oppinion is prone to diseases more than one who live outside all his life, where the harsh climatic condition can help him to be more healthy and resistant in long terms. Is the evolution way, tested for centuries by nature herself-the stronger, survive; the weaker is food for the stronger. Harsh but true. Also I kept years ago a german shepherd in an apartment( my parents apartment, when i was a student), so i really know how is it. All the dogs smells and let a lot of hair behind, they can destroy cables and doors also they steal food if they can. Washing them often is not healthy for their hair, so you must live with them after they was outside in long walks each day. Ahaha this is a nightmare, the smell is in the blanket, the hair is in the air. The hair can provoke asthma. This is the reality. If you do not realise this, your guests maybe are too polite to say you the truth. Is like in a smoker house. Everything can be clean, even in photos , but when you visit him you realise somebody smoke there.But in photos is a perfect harmony . Of course I have photos with my little dog and my 180 l aquarium. Tana can be nice in the house for several hours if first we play with her, but i will be never sure what will be with the fate of my aquarium if she will be left "home alone" No more to say, each owner has his taste. I doubt when wolfdog was created was for sleeping in bed, watching tv etc. this is simply mocking the dignity of this race. No wonder that some german shepherds owner's, from working line, think also this is a "failed experiment" If some of the owners, who keep him in house think like that about their wolfdog, what to say about strangers In that documentary was -among others things(the life in a real wolf pack)-about how to create a bond with an proud wolf without destroying his natural way to be, a kind of high respect that i can understand and i really like. So I will try to keep the nature path if i can, because i think is healthier. Anyway, is really funny, i wonder how some could sleep well during night, with almost 45 kilos(an adult wolfdog) on them, is another kind of falsity i can't believe, because is far away from any kind of good sense. I think all are just funny photos for the family album. Or maybe you try once and after you go to doctor to check your bones Sorry again, we all like to sleep well during night, family and dogs, each one in his place : bed ,cage or under sun

[Rona]

Originally Posted by mijke

My dogs love to work ánd to be family members

Just like ours, Mijke. Only we don't do water rescue only mantrailing, like Ina

Also interesting as a lot of people say you can´t keep adult females together unless they are related. All three dogs on the picture are adult only two are related...

Who says that?
I find it hard to believe how many myths people make about vlcaks There more silly myths they believ in, the less hard work they put in upbringing, training and relationship building. And then - when the dogs grow - they make even more myths about how wild and unpredictable creatures they are... ... just sad.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

You mix up a lot of different things here.

Originally Posted by Tana

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Do you really think that such dog who slept all his life in the house, if some day is lost in the wilderness, is able to survive and adapt, instead of being a good prey for other animals, including wolves? My respect for this race means to keep the natural abilities of wolfdog intact if i can. So i am sorry but I can't believe a dog raised to sleep like a lazy cat in the owner's bed can still survive and be accepted in a wolf pack, like the one in the documentary, not even that is able to hunt for his own food.

CSW are dogs not hybrids, they were selected for dog behaviour, those with wolfbehaviour were killed in the past and still get sorted out to some amount by the bonitation. Dogs are our only animals that have the genetic imprinted need to bond to humans and that see humans as their main pack - this was a selection done over at least 15 000 years. No matter if you raise them indoors or outdoors there are very few dogs that are able to survive alone in the wild. The only way to survive in a wolf pack as an adult is to be one of the founders. We raised several European wolves, they took our adults as pack leaders till they got mature themselves, we had to take the dogs out then, even the dogs that don´t live in the house and lived within the pack with wolves they raised. They simply don´t have the wolves mentally and bodily strength. We also took two CSW-puppies and put them in the pack together with Wolf Cubs of the same age. With about 4-5 month of age we took them out, through the whole time they stayed dogs and till today they live as dogs.

Originally Posted by Tana

my oppinion is prone to diseases more than one who live outside all his life, where the harsh climatic condition can help him to be more healthy and resistant in long terms. Is the evolution way, tested for centuries by nature herself-the stronger, survive; the weaker is food for the stronger. Harsh but true.

First they are not healthier but in the oposite get less old, due to the harsher conditions and as a vet with a long experience I will not discuss here. Less health comes from wrong selection, evolution doesn´t work for pets as the evolutionary process for pets is made by humans not by nature.

Originally Posted by Tana

I kept years ago a german shepherd in an apartment( my parents apartment, when i was a student), so i really know how is it. All the dogs smells and let a lot of hair behind, they can destroy cables and doors also they steal food if they can. Washing them often is not healthy for their hair, so you must live with them after they was outside in long walks each day. Ahaha this is a nightmare, the smell is in the blanket, the hair is in the air. The hair can provoke asthma. This is the reality. If you do not realise this, your guests maybe are too polite to say you the truth. Is like in a smoker house. Everything can be clean, even in photos , but when you visit him you realise somebody smoke there.But in photos is a perfect harmony . Of course I have photos with my little dog and my 180 l aquarium. Tana can be nice in the house for several hours if first we play with her, but i will be never sure what will be with the fate of my aquarium if she will be left "home alone" No more to say, each owner has his taste. I doubt when wolfdog was created was for sleeping in bed, watching tv etc. this is simply mocking the dignity of this race. No wonder that some german shepherds owner's, from working line, think also this is a "failed experiment" If some of the owners, who keep him in house think like that about their wolfdog, what to say about strangers In that documentary was -among others things(the life in a real wolf pack)-about how to create a bond with an proud wolf without destroying his natural way to be, a kind of high respect that i can understand and i really like. So I will try to keep the nature path if i can, because i think is healthier. Anyway, is really funny, i wonder how some could sleep well during night, with almost 45 kilos(an adult wolfdog) on them, is another kind of falsity i can't believe, because is far away from any kind of good sense. I think all are just funny photos for the family album. Or maybe you try once and after you go to doctor to check your bones Sorry again, we all like to sleep well during night, family and dogs, each one in his place : bed ,cage or under sun

How you keep your dogs is you personal decision and this is the only way I agree, apart from this our dogs are not allowed in every room of the house so don´t worry about our guests and wolfdogs don´t smell as GSH do if you don´t keep them in dirty kennels. But my dogs are all working dogs in the true sense of the meaning, they search missed persons all day long several days in row if necessary or they play in movies.
Again if you think a wolfpack is the same as a dog pack you need to do a lot more research and I would recommend science studies instead of some documentaries in television.

Ina