where you keep a wolfdog during winter: outdoor or in house.

Tana · 23-01-2013, 01:54

Yukidomari and Angelika i really do not want to visit your houses

). I am sure my wolfdog Tana at 5 months old, can find there a nice spot eventually and something to do undisturbed. But i am still a "misguided romantic" like many normal people here, millions i may say, who have dogs outside all the time, from many races, from many years and use them for guarding houses.They never imagined that are people who think they should keep the dog inside and instead they must protect the dog to sleep well hahaha So i still keep my family inside winter and dog outside and not viceversa. Have a pleasant night with your dogs

)) Is late here so excuse me...

yukidomari · 23-01-2013, 04:35

you are welcome not to visit

I have no problem if you want to keep your dog outside - but I find it hilarious that somehow it's associated with better temperament for training or working, or that a house with a dog inside constantly has shit in it...

I also don't understand the correlation between interactions with dogs and dogs learning from one another, with living outside..

and lastly, most normal people seek to have a domesticated dog to keep companionship and/or for working, not to somehow have a fantasy that keeping a domesticated dog outside returns it to some wild state.

vila · 23-01-2013, 11:54

I now see that there must be a cultural difference to the way of thinking about this subject. In fact I would say that for me it almost seems I'm trapped in Twilight zone episode, where the person has all of their point of views different from yours. It's also like listening to someone from the past, at least like 50 years ago when animals had no place being in the house. Looks like the majority of Romanian people keep dogs outside, but most countries here in Europe and USA don't have a problem with that I guess. That of course doesn't mean all dogs sleep on beds! If there is one thing I hope Tana at least sees that the indoor arrangement doens't necessarily make a dog unuseful. Vila has strong guarding instincts and she still guards the house. The instinct has more to do with character and genetics. Also a socialized dog is also one who has dog friends. That is why we are almost never alone on our walks and trips, she learned a lot of good behavior from her many constant dog friends (at least 30) and they helped me a lot. Being with two dogs in one place is just 1 life experience for her in my point of view. Do you take them for walks or trips so they learn new things, new smells and tastes? I'm just asking because there seems to be no mentioning of actually doing something with your dogs. Or is that also a cultural difference? And I'm being serious, not trying to be sarcastic.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 23-01-2013, 12:33

Tana I think you got some things wrong. You can have a good bond to a dog living outside if you spend a lot of time with it and also a lot of time with it alone without other dogs. Also a dog indoors can learn the same things from other dogs like living outside. If you don´t want dogs in your house that is your decision as long as your dog gets enough attention it doesn´t matter that much.
What people deny here is that dogs that are kept in the house are not as good as guardians or on other work - and by the way it is proofen that children that grow up with pets are healthier than the totally clean kept ones.

Of course wolfdogs (CSW ones and not Saarloos or Hybrids) can be good guards but also if you want protection going further than just to protect your area you will find that they will only protect you outside if they see you as a member of their pack why else should they bother. My dogs all are good guards but also they guard when we are not at home or when they get the feeling we need help, otherwise they will tolerate everybody without being especially told.
Also about the wolf -traits: To guard is absolutely no wolf trait, to follow any commands is not wolf trait, to bond to people is no wolf trait (to have some kind of relationship of tolerating somebody is something very different to bonding) if you want to get some kind of true relationsship to a wolf you have to handraise it and this relationship will be very different to the one you will have to a dog. So if I want any wolf traits in my wolfdogs I want the endurance, the physical fitness, the nose and the cleverness but for sure not the wolflike character as I know very well that wolves can never be good pets.

Ina

23-01-2013, 01:54	#1
Tana Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: city :Pitesti, country: Romania Posts: 23	Yukidomari and Angelika i really do not want to visit your houses). I am sure my wolfdog Tana at 5 months old, can find there a nice spot eventually and something to do undisturbed. But i am still a "misguided romantic" like many normal people here, millions i may say, who have dogs outside all the time, from many races, from many years and use them for guarding houses.They never imagined that are people who think they should keep the dog inside and instead they must protect the dog to sleep well hahaha So i still keep my family inside winter and dog outside and not viceversa. Have a pleasant night with your dogs )) Is late here so excuse me...

23-01-2013, 04:35	#2
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	you are welcome not to visit I have no problem if you want to keep your dog outside - but I find it hilarious that somehow it's associated with better temperament for training or working, or that a house with a dog inside constantly has shit in it... I also don't understand the correlation between interactions with dogs and dogs learning from one another, with living outside.. and lastly, most normal people seek to have a domesticated dog to keep companionship and/or for working, not to somehow have a fantasy that keeping a domesticated dog outside returns it to some wild state. __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

23-01-2013, 11:54	#3
vila Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 43	I now see that there must be a cultural difference to the way of thinking about this subject. In fact I would say that for me it almost seems I'm trapped in Twilight zone episode, where the person has all of their point of views different from yours. It's also like listening to someone from the past, at least like 50 years ago when animals had no place being in the house. Looks like the majority of Romanian people keep dogs outside, but most countries here in Europe and USA don't have a problem with that I guess. That of course doesn't mean all dogs sleep on beds! If there is one thing I hope Tana at least sees that the indoor arrangement doens't necessarily make a dog unuseful. Vila has strong guarding instincts and she still guards the house. The instinct has more to do with character and genetics. Also a socialized dog is also one who has dog friends. That is why we are almost never alone on our walks and trips, she learned a lot of good behavior from her many constant dog friends (at least 30) and they helped me a lot. Being with two dogs in one place is just 1 life experience for her in my point of view. Do you take them for walks or trips so they learn new things, new smells and tastes? I'm just asking because there seems to be no mentioning of actually doing something with your dogs. Or is that also a cultural difference? And I'm being serious, not trying to be sarcastic.

23-01-2013, 12:33	#4
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Tana I think you got some things wrong. You can have a good bond to a dog living outside if you spend a lot of time with it and also a lot of time with it alone without other dogs. Also a dog indoors can learn the same things from other dogs like living outside. If you don´t want dogs in your house that is your decision as long as your dog gets enough attention it doesn´t matter that much. What people deny here is that dogs that are kept in the house are not as good as guardians or on other work - and by the way it is proofen that children that grow up with pets are healthier than the totally clean kept ones. Of course wolfdogs (CSW ones and not Saarloos or Hybrids) can be good guards but also if you want protection going further than just to protect your area you will find that they will only protect you outside if they see you as a member of their pack why else should they bother. My dogs all are good guards but also they guard when we are not at home or when they get the feeling we need help, otherwise they will tolerate everybody without being especially told. Also about the wolf -traits: To guard is absolutely no wolf trait, to follow any commands is not wolf trait, to bond to people is no wolf trait (to have some kind of relationship of tolerating somebody is something very different to bonding) if you want to get some kind of true relationsship to a wolf you have to handraise it and this relationship will be very different to the one you will have to a dog. So if I want any wolf traits in my wolfdogs I want the endurance, the physical fitness, the nose and the cleverness but for sure not the wolflike character as I know very well that wolves can never be good pets. Ina