Typical Czechoslovakian wolfdog by Ing. Karel Hartl

mijke · 15-04-2013, 02:10

I am not an expert at all!

So if anyone just compare their dog with the sketch of Ing Karel Hartl, they maybe can find an answer for their questions

Angelika · 15-04-2013, 02:29

Thank you, Mijke

That´s what I thought but couldn´t express it in a foreign language.

I´m sure Ivan knows

vila · 15-04-2013, 13:58

I remembered I had a photo of Vila that reminded me a lot of the sketch by Hartl, so I just thought I would post it. I'm no expert at all, I would even say that I haven't got a clue about exact proportions

but if you guys think she's "off", I won't be a crybaby about it

Ulisse74 · 15-04-2013, 18:38

I must say that Hartl is really a good designer, but the angles that are proposed in the sketch are nothing more than those reported in the breed standard.
I think it's impossible to have an uniform to the standard of 100%.
I agree that many judges all-round judge really bad, but I don't think that the race is having a catastrophic result.
The standard of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is clear and leaves very little to the imagination.

yukidomari · 15-04-2013, 20:05

I think a pictorial illustration of the standard is a good tool even if all the measurements are either already in the text standard or referred to in bonitation cards.

There are only a few dogs, for example, which I met in real life that I can say have something approaching the shortness of the torso length given in the illustration. And almost all of the dogs I have seen (in real life, again not in photos) don't have as straight angulation both of the front and of the rear.

I haven't met or seen as many Vlcaks as many of the more experienced people here, but I do think that there are many, many Vlcaks that are very dog-like, without ratios approaching this model.. of course there is no dog which is perfect, all of them have some fault, it is a matter of relativity but simply I think it's a good reminder for breeders of the goals so that the trend is always towards dogs with a build like this illustration.

15-04-2013, 02:10	#1
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	I am not an expert at all! So if anyone just compare their dog with the sketch of Ing Karel Hartl, they maybe can find an answer for their questions __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

15-04-2013, 18:38	#4
Ulisse74 Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: L'Aquila - Abruzzo Posts: 829	I must say that Hartl is really a good designer, but the angles that are proposed in the sketch are nothing more than those reported in the breed standard. I think it's impossible to have an uniform to the standard of 100%. I agree that many judges all-round judge really bad, but I don't think that the race is having a catastrophic result. The standard of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is clear and leaves very little to the imagination. __________________ Ulisse e il Farfallina Team

15-04-2013, 20:05	#5
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	I think a pictorial illustration of the standard is a good tool even if all the measurements are either already in the text standard or referred to in bonitation cards. There are only a few dogs, for example, which I met in real life that I can say have something approaching the shortness of the torso length given in the illustration. And almost all of the dogs I have seen (in real life, again not in photos) don't have as straight angulation both of the front and of the rear. I haven't met or seen as many Vlcaks as many of the more experienced people here, but I do think that there are many, many Vlcaks that are very dog-like, without ratios approaching this model.. of course there is no dog which is perfect, all of them have some fault, it is a matter of relativity but simply I think it's a good reminder for breeders of the goals so that the trend is always towards dogs with a build like this illustration. __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

15-04-2013, 02:29	#2
Angelika Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 847	Thank you, Mijke That´s what I thought but couldn´t express it in a foreign language. I´m sure Ivan knows

15-04-2013, 13:58	#3
vila Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 43	I remembered I had a photo of Vila that reminded me a lot of the sketch by Hartl, so I just thought I would post it. I'm no expert at all, I would even say that I haven't got a clue about exact proportions but if you guys think she's "off", I won't be a crybaby about it