Norwegian ban on SW and CzW - Page 7

Wolfsirius · 17/09/2004, 10h35

Fenris you wrote ; CsW have already been banned in Norway according to new law on "dog-keeping". Saarlooswolfhond is yet not banned despite its wolf-blood becaust it is believed to be calmer and friendler and of no use in attacking.

Am i out of some news??! Since when?

-Suski

Wolfsirius · 17/09/2004, 11h12

More info soon for me. PLEASE. When this law came?How is with CsVs already in Norway? How is with crossing the border of Norway, ex. dogshows with CsV?

-Suski
*who seems to live out of any info, middle of forest with dogs.

fenris · 17/09/2004, 12h13

To Suski:

The new law came to a decision on august 20. 2004.

fenris

Per Olav · 17/09/2004, 12h17

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Because CsW have already been banned in Norway according to new law on "dog-keeping". The arguments against CsW was not only wolfblood but also its history and trainability as an attacking dog. The Saarlooswolfhond is yet not banned despite its wolf-blood becaust it is believed to be calmer and friendler and of no use in attacking.

fenris

The Norwegian banning of the CSV is based on the date of the first breeding. Against the advice of experts the Ministry of Justice says that the CSV must be concidered more unpredictable compared to SW. For time beeing the SW is "quarrantined" but the Ministry may change its opinion at any time.

The Scandinavian situation is the following: The Norwegian Kennel Club is approving both of the wolf dog breeds, but the Government is only accepting the SW.

In Sweden the Government is accepting both breeds, but the Swedish Kennel Klub will not accept the breeds to be registered.An unoffical statement from the Director of the Board of the SKK, this descission was mostly based on the resistance of the members of the Swedish "Anti Wolf Comunity"..

The next year the Norwegians will select their New Government . Hopefully this will change the situation. The Norwegian Kennel Klub is protesting and regreting the Ministrys decission based on non qualified advisors.

Per Olav

Per Olav · 19/09/2004, 18h19

this group is monitored and excerpts are quoted by opponents of our breed.

sophy · 19/09/2004, 22h29

Hello,

What do you mean ?

What opponents ?

Thanks ,

Sophy from Belgium

fenris · 19/09/2004, 22h46

Sometimes one must be gentle and quiet-mannered to be able to achieve ones goals - as all noise attracts enemies.
Maybe this discussion hurts the breed more than the supposed mischief done?

fenris

Per Olav · 20/09/2004, 00h02

Hi Sophy

By an amendment to the new Norwegian "Dog law" the CSV is banned in Norway. The ban is mainly a result of the influence of a small group of individuals whose children have been killed or severe injured by GSD, GSD-mixes and a sledge dog. As a result of their loss these individuals were invited as a group by the Minister of Justice to express their opinion. These people whose homepage frequently is used by Norwegain media are collecting any negative information regarding dogs and dog behaviour. In addition to that the Norwegian society of a "new enviromental order", are expressing the wolf as an unwanted carnivore in Norway. The society has expressed its concern regarding introducing wolf hybrids into the Norwegian fauna, and has in media introduced the CSV and the SW as camouflaged hybrids.especially dangerous to children.

One of our main Norwegian opponents has been very active in desinforming the Ministry and public by using our National Television System and papers about our breed. He also has been acting as an advisor for those individuals mentioned above and is on his own homesite publishing desinformative articles and manipulating exerpts of articles. His main sources are found on wolfdog.org and postings on this forum..

There is a slight possibility that the Norwegian ban may be changed by the election next year. Our opponents are therefore collecting as much negative information as possible, and if no such information is at hand, you just cut'n paste ....

Per Olav · 20/09/2004, 18h06

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Sometimes one must be gentle and quiet-mannered to be able to achieve ones goals - as all noise attracts enemies.
Maybe this discussion hurts the breed more than the supposed mischief done?

fenris

In my humble opinion - it does.

Margo · 21/09/2004, 18h17

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There is a slight possibility that the Norwegian ban may be changed by the election next year. Our opponents are therefore collecting as much negative information as possible, and if no such information is at hand, you just cut'n paste ....

That is right. But now we have the chance to stop this mixes = to ban them BEFORE they will spread in the whole Europe (the Czech breeding committee is not informing people about this mixes and it is possible that later they will also not inform puppy buyers that there is wolfblood in their pups). So if we will stop this project everything will be OK.

...but imagine what will happen if the Czech comittee will put this mixes into breeding. Sooner or later the officials in Norway will let know about it. And there will be no way back to get CzW from the list of baned breeds.

And Norway is not the only case. There are more countries where wolf hybrids are forbidden. Now they have no arguments against Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs because this breed can not be listed as a REAL wolfdog. But if Mutaras will be used in CZ it will change....

Per Olav · 21/09/2004, 19h50

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That is right. But now we have the chance to stop this mixes = to ban them BEFORE they will spread in the whole Europe (the Czech breeding committee is not informing people about this mixes and it is possible that later they will also not inform puppy buyers that there is wolfblood in their pups). So if we will stop this project everything will be OK..

I fully agree.
From my point of view: by discussing such matters in public the opponents of the breed do quote the excerpts which are in favour of their views and add something like - "the czechoslovakians accept and register hybrids " and so on. This information - right or wrong - is widely spread, and might be fatal for the acceptance of the breed in other countries.

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That is right. But now we have the chance to stop this mixes = to ban them BEFORE they will spread in the whole Europe (the Czech breeding committee is not informing people about this mixes and it is possible that later they will also not inform puppy buyers that there is wolfblood in their pups). So if we will stop this project everything will be OK.

Of course. But ... in my point of view a *public discussion* might be harmful - maybe there are other - internal -ways of discussing such delicate matters ? A closed user group maybe?

But whatever the way you choose to follow, I¨m not against any discussion of the matter, I'm just a little afraid of bringing it into the eyes of those who are in favour of a ban.- and as far as I know - someone are watching this and other discussions regarding our breed.

kobesen · 10/08/2006, 21h07

Hello everybody,

Got a question. Are CsW still not allowed in Norway??

Greetings Kim from Holland

Per Olav · 10/08/2006, 22h10

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Hello everybody,

Got a question. Are CsW still not allowed in Norway??

Greetings Kim from Holland

Yes they are.
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Per Olav

kobesen · 10/08/2006, 22h13

do you mean they are alowed or not alowed with "yes they are".

Per Olav · 10/08/2006, 22h47

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do you mean they are alowed or not alowed with "yes they are".

Refering to your question if the CSV still are not allowed in Norway. The answer is: Yes - they are still not allowed - or in other words: The CSV is still banned in Norway.
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Per Olav

kobesen · 11/08/2006, 00h09

I'm very sorry for you

.
Hope that there will be a change that they are allowed ones more.
Again sorry.

greetings Kim

Per Olav · 11/08/2006, 07h10

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I'm very sorry for you

.
Hope that there will be a change that they are allowed ones more.
Again sorry.

greetings Kim

A lot of Norwegians do regret the ban, Kim, including the Norwegian Kennel Klub. We are all working for a change by a comming revision of the law.
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Per Olav

kobesen · 11/08/2006, 10h01

Is there anything we can do over here in Holland?

greetings Kim

Per Olav · 11/08/2006, 13h40

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Is there anything we can do over here in Holland?

greetings Kim

Not at the present time but I'll keep you all informed when the situation is changing.
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Per Olav

XaedasKSP · 27/11/2009, 02h15

I have always wanted to own a wolf, and now it became possible after I read about the race of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. Well they aint really wolfes but as close as it gets....

And right after I planned to buy myself a dog from my homecountry Poland I read about this crap that only the norwegian socialist government could create. Its the fault of all of those who dont vote FrP for freedom but thats a norwegian problem.

Anyway I will not resign of having a wolfdog and just buy one with a mix breed passport in case I get stopped on the border, but it wont happen since there are no borders inside the EU. And when I have the dog in Norway I will just say if anyone asks that its a "blandingshund" which means a mix-breed dog born in Norway that is a crossing between a Husky and an unknown father probably elk hund or something....and 99,99 % of the norwegian population will belive it and the remaining ones who are interested in dogs do also like dogs so they wont complain.

Actually I dont even think anyone will care to ask me about my dog and what it is since the wolf dogs look actually as a wolf and not like a rotweiler or Pitbull etc. And most people in Norway except for the villagers (bønder) who dont live in the city suburbs wont even imagine that there is anything special about my dog other than that it looks nice "like a litte wolfie".....so it should be 100 % problem free. And the police do never walk around and visit people to check what kind of dog they have.

So the norwegian SV(ine) and AP(e) socialist can just eat their stupid piece of paper cause no one will ever have a chance to find out that my dog isnt just a mix born in Norway. In 2013 FrP will win the election and Norway will also be a free nation from the socialist tyranny, and we will buy cars & vodka for normal prices and have whatever dog we want to have.

17/09/2004, 10h35	#121
Wolfsirius Junior Member Date d'inscription: September 2003 Messages: 118	Fenris you wrote ; CsW have already been banned in Norway according to new law on "dog-keeping". Saarlooswolfhond is yet not banned despite its wolf-blood becaust it is believed to be calmer and friendler and of no use in attacking. Am i out of some news??! Since when? -Suski __________________ I believe in the Wolf, her spirit and her strength. I respect the power they have and will. Walk beside them and protect them my entire life. -Suski-

17/09/2004, 11h12	#122
Wolfsirius Junior Member Date d'inscription: September 2003 Messages: 118	More info soon for me. PLEASE. When this law came?How is with CsVs already in Norway? How is with crossing the border of Norway, ex. dogshows with CsV? -Suski *who seems to live out of any info, middle of forest with dogs. __________________ I believe in the Wolf, her spirit and her strength. I respect the power they have and will. Walk beside them and protect them my entire life. -Suski-

19/09/2004, 18h19	#125
Per Olav Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2003 Messages: 395	Be aware of... this group is monitored and excerpts are quoted by opponents of our breed. __________________ Per Olav

20/09/2004, 00h02	#128
Per Olav Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2003 Messages: 395	Hi Sophy By an amendment to the new Norwegian "Dog law" the CSV is banned in Norway. The ban is mainly a result of the influence of a small group of individuals whose children have been killed or severe injured by GSD, GSD-mixes and a sledge dog. As a result of their loss these individuals were invited as a group by the Minister of Justice to express their opinion. These people whose homepage frequently is used by Norwegain media are collecting any negative information regarding dogs and dog behaviour. In addition to that the Norwegian society of a "new enviromental order", are expressing the wolf as an unwanted carnivore in Norway. The society has expressed its concern regarding introducing wolf hybrids into the Norwegian fauna, and has in media introduced the CSV and the SW as camouflaged hybrids.especially dangerous to children. One of our main Norwegian opponents has been very active in desinforming the Ministry and public by using our National Television System and papers about our breed. He also has been acting as an advisor for those individuals mentioned above and is on his own homesite publishing desinformative articles and manipulating exerpts of articles. His main sources are found on wolfdog.org and postings on this forum.. There is a slight possibility that the Norwegian ban may be changed by the election next year. Our opponents are therefore collecting as much negative information as possible, and if no such information is at hand, you just cut'n paste .... __________________ Per Olav

10/08/2006, 21h07	#132
kobesen Erfelijk aangeboren Bitch Date d'inscription: November 2005 Localisation: Arnhem Messages: 1 272	Hello everybody, Got a question. Are CsW still not allowed in Norway?? Greetings Kim from Holland __________________ Het product van je eigen denken, is je omgeving! (citaat Maurice Oosterhof zie www.spoorzoeken.net) 'Spoorzoeken, leven is mensenwerk' COACHBOEK VAN HET JAAR 2012!!!!!!!

17/09/2004, 12h13	#123
fenris Junior Member Date d'inscription: September 2003 Messages: 59	To Suski: The new law came to a decision on august 20. 2004. fenris

19/09/2004, 22h29	#126
sophy Junior Member Date d'inscription: October 2003 Messages: 118	Hello, What do you mean ? What opponents ? Thanks , Sophy from Belgium

19/09/2004, 22h46	#127
fenris Junior Member Date d'inscription: September 2003 Messages: 59	Sometimes one must be gentle and quiet-mannered to be able to achieve ones goals - as all noise attracts enemies. Maybe this discussion hurts the breed more than the supposed mischief done? fenris

10/08/2006, 22h13	#134
kobesen Erfelijk aangeboren Bitch Date d'inscription: November 2005 Localisation: Arnhem Messages: 1 272	do you mean they are alowed or not alowed with "yes they are". __________________ Het product van je eigen denken, is je omgeving! (citaat Maurice Oosterhof zie www.spoorzoeken.net) 'Spoorzoeken, leven is mensenwerk' COACHBOEK VAN HET JAAR 2012!!!!!!!

11/08/2006, 00h09	#136
kobesen Erfelijk aangeboren Bitch Date d'inscription: November 2005 Localisation: Arnhem Messages: 1 272	I'm very sorry for you . Hope that there will be a change that they are allowed ones more. Again sorry. greetings Kim __________________ Het product van je eigen denken, is je omgeving! (citaat Maurice Oosterhof zie www.spoorzoeken.net) 'Spoorzoeken, leven is mensenwerk' COACHBOEK VAN HET JAAR 2012!!!!!!!

11/08/2006, 10h01	#138
kobesen Erfelijk aangeboren Bitch Date d'inscription: November 2005 Localisation: Arnhem Messages: 1 272	Is there anything we can do over here in Holland? greetings Kim __________________ Het product van je eigen denken, is je omgeving! (citaat Maurice Oosterhof zie www.spoorzoeken.net) 'Spoorzoeken, leven is mensenwerk' COACHBOEK VAN HET JAAR 2012!!!!!!!

27/11/2009, 02h15	#140
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	Its possible to have one I have always wanted to own a wolf, and now it became possible after I read about the race of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. Well they aint really wolfes but as close as it gets.... And right after I planned to buy myself a dog from my homecountry Poland I read about this crap that only the norwegian socialist government could create. Its the fault of all of those who dont vote FrP for freedom but thats a norwegian problem. Anyway I will not resign of having a wolfdog and just buy one with a mix breed passport in case I get stopped on the border, but it wont happen since there are no borders inside the EU. And when I have the dog in Norway I will just say if anyone asks that its a "blandingshund" which means a mix-breed dog born in Norway that is a crossing between a Husky and an unknown father probably elk hund or something....and 99,99 % of the norwegian population will belive it and the remaining ones who are interested in dogs do also like dogs so they wont complain. Actually I dont even think anyone will care to ask me about my dog and what it is since the wolf dogs look actually as a wolf and not like a rotweiler or Pitbull etc. And most people in Norway except for the villagers (bønder) who dont live in the city suburbs wont even imagine that there is anything special about my dog other than that it looks nice "like a litte wolfie".....so it should be 100 % problem free. And the police do never walk around and visit people to check what kind of dog they have. So the norwegian SV(ine) and AP(e) socialist can just eat their stupid piece of paper cause no one will ever have a chance to find out that my dog isnt just a mix born in Norway. In 2013 FrP will win the election and Norway will also be a free nation from the socialist tyranny, and we will buy cars & vodka for normal prices and have whatever dog we want to have.