In season...

Karin · 01-10-2002, 19:13

Hi Philipe,
Of course we are loosing some natural aspects of the breed. But I don't
find important how often our females are in heat. There are some worse
things than this one is. We can talk about exterier for example. I mean
proportions of our dogs. Remember these dogs should be just similar to
wolfes. Creatiors of the breed couldn't take of the wollf what they liked
even they were trying to do so :-) and the rest of german shepard. But when
I train my Brenna I can still find many wolfes manners (((- ; And I think
the wolfblood will be flowing through our fingers and disappearing in the
future. What we want to have in our homes more the wolf or a dog?.

Philippe · 31-10-2002, 11:43

Hi, all,

I'm often asked by people about the female CsV heat : number of cycle per
year, spacing, duration, start...

It was my understanding that, being a primitive breed, CsV females react
like she-wolves, one heat per year... but it seems some females are 'in
season' twice a year!!!

In another hand, I was convinced litters are due at the end of
winter/beginning of spring... and saw CsV litters born between January and
December!!!???

Are we losing some parts of the primitive side of the breed or what? If so,
what about working abilities (and standard) after 10, 20, 50 or 100 years?

Any opinion and/or comment is welcome!

Best regards

Philippe

Zoli · 31-10-2002, 16:24

Does your wolfdog live indoors?

Philippe · 31-10-2002, 16:57

Hi, Zoltan,

No, all my dogs are living outdoor... My 3 CsV females, Jola, Sonia and
Sophia, are actually in season... Jola have already had puppies, and had
always been in heat in October/November...

Philippe

Tina · 31-10-2002, 18:54

Quote:

Are we losing some parts of the primitive side of the breed or what? If so,
what about working abilities (and standard) after 10, 20, 50 or 100 years?
Any opinion and/or comment is welcome!

From my decades of experience I can assure you that the further away from the
"wolf" you go, the more "dog" like your progeny will become. This said ..
however, with proper planning you can still retain the "wolf traits" that you
admire so much, like the intelligence

Look how far the German Shepherd went before it started to fall apart .. and
WHY did it change? I can assure you that my breed has retained many of the
same qualities you could easily see in the GSD 40-50 years ago, but have to
look very hard to find today ;(
If you have a strong club of educated <and fully dedicated> breeders, this
beautiful dog will still look & act the way you want him to 100 years from
now

michaelundinaeichhorn · 31-10-2002, 23:55

Dear Philippe,

I just read in some literature I can´t remember (maybe Dog breeding 2000 from
Professor Helmut Wachtel, Austria, maby something by Trumler)that very many wolfe
hybrids tend to get their litters earlier then wolfes in Dezember, January.
In wolfes the social interaction in the pack is essential for spermproduction of
the males and for getting in heat of the females. Even when our alpha-female
normaly gets in heat every eight month, she normaly has a short heat in between
without a ovulation when our Irish wolfhound bitch gets in heat before her (she
follows the normal 6 month terminal of housdogs) and I know that it is a big
problem in breeding csw-bitches that live without a male ore that are dominated
by another female, because they don´t get to ovulation in the normal time ore
they interrupt their heat bevore and start all over again later. So even if they
don´t follow wolfe´s cycles they are a lot different to normal dogs.
I don´t think the whole problem has anything to do with training abilities.

Best regards Ina

Vaiva · 05-11-2008, 12:55

Didn't want to start a new topic, so I am writting here. As far as I know it is difficult enought to find out when exactly to mate a female wolfdog

Do you use progesteron researches? Or just know exactly the day when to mate your females?

If it is not a top secret, of course

michaelundinaeichhorn · 05-11-2008, 14:11

It is very easy with 3 of our females with one it´s a little more difficult. When we have to go far to the stud I use Progesteron-Tests to find the optimum day.

Ina

Vaiva · 05-11-2008, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

It is very easy with 3 of our females with one it´s a little more difficult. When we have to go far to the stud I use Progesteron-Tests to find the optimum day.

Ina

Ok, and what marks do you consider to be allready the right ones? Same as usual dogs?

michaelundinaeichhorn · 05-11-2008, 14:28

Yes the same.

01-10-2002, 19:13	#1
Karin Junior Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 4	In season... Hi Philipe, Of course we are loosing some natural aspects of the breed. But I don't find important how often our females are in heat. There are some worse things than this one is. We can talk about exterier for example. I mean proportions of our dogs. Remember these dogs should be just similar to wolfes. Creatiors of the breed couldn't take of the wollf what they liked even they were trying to do so :-) and the rest of german shepard. But when I train my Brenna I can still find many wolfes manners (((- ; And I think the wolfblood will be flowing through our fingers and disappearing in the future. What we want to have in our homes more the wolf or a dog?.

31-10-2002, 11:43	#2
Philippe Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oise Posts: 304	In season... Hi, all, I'm often asked by people about the female CsV heat : number of cycle per year, spacing, duration, start... It was my understanding that, being a primitive breed, CsV females react like she-wolves, one heat per year... but it seems some females are 'in season' twice a year!!! In another hand, I was convinced litters are due at the end of winter/beginning of spring... and saw CsV litters born between January and December!!!??? Are we losing some parts of the primitive side of the breed or what? If so, what about working abilities (and standard) after 10, 20, 50 or 100 years? Any opinion and/or comment is welcome! Best regards Philippe

31-10-2002, 16:24	#3
Zoli Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Budapest Posts: 4	In season... Does your wolfdog live indoors?

31-10-2002, 16:57	#4
Philippe Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oise Posts: 304	In season... Hi, Zoltan, No, all my dogs are living outdoor... My 3 CsV females, Jola, Sonia and Sophia, are actually in season... Jola have already had puppies, and had always been in heat in October/November... Philippe

31-10-2002, 23:55	#6
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	In season... Dear Philippe, I just read in some literature I can´t remember (maybe Dog breeding 2000 from Professor Helmut Wachtel, Austria, maby something by Trumler)that very many wolfe hybrids tend to get their litters earlier then wolfes in Dezember, January. In wolfes the social interaction in the pack is essential for spermproduction of the males and for getting in heat of the females. Even when our alpha-female normaly gets in heat every eight month, she normaly has a short heat in between without a ovulation when our Irish wolfhound bitch gets in heat before her (she follows the normal 6 month terminal of housdogs) and I know that it is a big problem in breeding csw-bitches that live without a male ore that are dominated by another female, because they don´t get to ovulation in the normal time ore they interrupt their heat bevore and start all over again later. So even if they don´t follow wolfe´s cycles they are a lot different to normal dogs. I don´t think the whole problem has anything to do with training abilities. Best regards Ina

05-11-2008, 12:55	#7
Vaiva ir Brukne Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vilnius Posts: 1,768	Didn't want to start a new topic, so I am writting here. As far as I know it is difficult enought to find out when exactly to mate a female wolfdog Do you use progesteron researches? Or just know exactly the day when to mate your females? If it is not a top secret, of course __________________ Walkiria Girios dvasia

05-11-2008, 14:11	#8
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	It is very easy with 3 of our females with one it´s a little more difficult. When we have to go far to the stud I use Progesteron-Tests to find the optimum day. Ina

05-11-2008, 14:28	#10
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Yes the same.