SIBO & Inflamatory bowel disease

nicholas · 26-07-2007, 08:47

In order to reach to that conclusion i had to change the vet 3 times. The first i took him was a woman who initially told me that i had to put the dog down since he has a serious problem. I could not accept such a behaviour form a vet. The easy solution for her, to kill the dog. The next one was more porfessional but did not test him for parasites. HE was the first to talk about SIBO and IBD. He gave him flagyl of 1000mg per day for 3 weeks! Sinc this did not imporve his condition i took him to tha largest vet clinic in Greece 2 hours away from where i live. It is a clinic responsible for the caring of the animals in the Athens zoo. There they tested him for Giardia. The total cost reached more than 1000 Euros. Forgive me for being bold but i do not give a shit about the cost if i can make my frined feel good. I am not going to ask anybody to compensate me for this. The problem is that he is going under a heavier treatment than flagyl since Giardia has been immune to the specific drug after taking half of the dose he should have for 3 weeks. (in order for Giardia to pass he should have taken 2500mg per day and he was given 1000mg a day). I already talked to the vet and the breeder. The vet told me that either he got it form the kennel or froma pet hotel i took him for 4 days. Even if he got it from the kennel (the pet had taken the pill against parasites from the breeder) there is a big chance that the breeder did not know about it. You see the eggs sit around until the dog is stressed or very anxious only then do they hatch and the parasites get out of the cyst. My friend flew to Athens and the trip cause him enough stress to turn him from a carrier to a patient. The other animals are not stressed. The good thing is that at least we know what hte problem is and we can fix it.

Best,
Nick

Mirkawolf · 26-07-2007, 11:33

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Originally Posted by nicholas

Even if he got it from the kennel (the pet had taken the pill against parasites from the breeder) there is a big chance that the breeder did not know about it. You see the eggs sit around until the dog is stressed or very anxious only then do they hatch and the parasites get out of the cyst. My friend flew to Athens and the trip cause him enough stress to turn him from a carrier to a patient. The other animals are not stressed. The good thing is that at least we know what hte problem is and we can fix it.

I am not so sure about this. If the pup brought it from the kennel, you can be sure it would appear at the other pups at the kennel too. I had my pup under treatment for giardia for about two days, when the breeder called that his other pups started diarrhoea too and asked me what kind of treatment we used.. And they were still at his kennel, so no big change for them happened.
But I agree with the vet, that the pup could pick it up easily somewhere else, especially if the poor little pup was in some pet hotel

Anyways, good that you found finally good and reasonable veterinarian. The puppy must weakened by all this giardia and diarrhoea for so long, poor guy! Oh and I remember that after we finished the antibiotics for giardia, our vet gave us some special pasta with the right bacteria to restore the microflora in the pups intestines (cause the antibiotics killed everything). I can´t remember the name unfortunatelly, perhaps Ina will know. Maybe you should ask for that thing too, it will help the pup get back in shape.

GalomyOak · 26-07-2007, 16:46

Plain white yogurt (small quantity) around 15 ml 2x day can help to promote growth of beneficial bacteria - the acidipholus and the environment of the yogurt both help the "good" bacteria grow. Haha, I say that as a dog owner, and also a person who has had a bacterial infection - yogurt works for both people and animals! Good luck with your pup!

nicholas · 29-07-2007, 19:39

Dera all,

I tooko todayt Tristan from the vet and he has just finished the first phase of his therapy with Valbazen. He took it for 3 days. and now we expect to see the results. COuld you pls inform me as to by which day did the feces started to return to normal? How long did it take for the dog to completely stop the diarhoea?

Thanks again.

Nick

nicholas · 29-07-2007, 21:56

I would also liek your help on another issue. Tristan eats his feces. That is a major problem with Giardia since he will never get over it. Unfortunately, my wife and i are away from home for 7 hours a day. DO you have any idea how i can make him stop eating his feces while i am away?

Thanks in advance.

Nick

michaelundinaeichhorn · 29-07-2007, 23:22

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Originally Posted by nicholas

I would also liek your help on another issue. Tristan eats his feces. That is a major problem with Giardia since he will never get over it. Unfortunately, my wife and i are away from home for 7 hours a day. DO you have any idea how i can make him stop eating his feces while i am away?

Thanks in advance.

Nick

Many puppies do this especially when they have intestinal problems. It stops when the intestinal problem stops.
As I wrote before you have to repeat the treatment after 1-2 weeks, otherwise it starts all over again.
But don´t worry too much, the dogs get resistent against Giardia after some time of stabilisation.

nicholas · 30-07-2007, 18:58

I understand, but isn't it difficult to get rid of Giardia if he keeps on eating his feces? How is he supposed to get over it if he keeps putting it in his system?

Ina do you have any idea how i can make him stop this?

With regards to the treatment, the vet suggested that we take again sample from his feces on Wednesday and SUnday. Should his feces start to become harder and we will continue with valbazen. If he shows no porgress he suggested to use fysiogen (tinadozole) which is a drug used in humans for giardia and not penocur. What do you think?

Is he going to be alright in the end after all this? What if he has been having it for more than 2 motnhs? What kind of damage his intestines might have suffered? Do you have any product to propose for probiotics and to restore the flora in his intestine?

26-07-2007, 08:47	#1
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	In order to reach to that conclusion i had to change the vet 3 times. The first i took him was a woman who initially told me that i had to put the dog down since he has a serious problem. I could not accept such a behaviour form a vet. The easy solution for her, to kill the dog. The next one was more porfessional but did not test him for parasites. HE was the first to talk about SIBO and IBD. He gave him flagyl of 1000mg per day for 3 weeks! Sinc this did not imporve his condition i took him to tha largest vet clinic in Greece 2 hours away from where i live. It is a clinic responsible for the caring of the animals in the Athens zoo. There they tested him for Giardia. The total cost reached more than 1000 Euros. Forgive me for being bold but i do not give a shit about the cost if i can make my frined feel good. I am not going to ask anybody to compensate me for this. The problem is that he is going under a heavier treatment than flagyl since Giardia has been immune to the specific drug after taking half of the dose he should have for 3 weeks. (in order for Giardia to pass he should have taken 2500mg per day and he was given 1000mg a day). I already talked to the vet and the breeder. The vet told me that either he got it form the kennel or froma pet hotel i took him for 4 days. Even if he got it from the kennel (the pet had taken the pill against parasites from the breeder) there is a big chance that the breeder did not know about it. You see the eggs sit around until the dog is stressed or very anxious only then do they hatch and the parasites get out of the cyst. My friend flew to Athens and the trip cause him enough stress to turn him from a carrier to a patient. The other animals are not stressed. The good thing is that at least we know what hte problem is and we can fix it. Best, Nick

26-07-2007, 16:46	#3
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	Plain white yogurt (small quantity) around 15 ml 2x day can help to promote growth of beneficial bacteria - the acidipholus and the environment of the yogurt both help the "good" bacteria grow. Haha, I say that as a dog owner, and also a person who has had a bacterial infection - yogurt works for both people and animals! Good luck with your pup!

29-07-2007, 19:39	#4
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	Dera all, I tooko todayt Tristan from the vet and he has just finished the first phase of his therapy with Valbazen. He took it for 3 days. and now we expect to see the results. COuld you pls inform me as to by which day did the feces started to return to normal? How long did it take for the dog to completely stop the diarhoea? Thanks again. Nick

29-07-2007, 21:56	#5
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	I would also liek your help on another issue. Tristan eats his feces. That is a major problem with Giardia since he will never get over it. Unfortunately, my wife and i are away from home for 7 hours a day. DO you have any idea how i can make him stop eating his feces while i am away? Thanks in advance. Nick

30-07-2007, 18:58	#7
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	I understand, but isn't it difficult to get rid of Giardia if he keeps on eating his feces? How is he supposed to get over it if he keeps putting it in his system? Ina do you have any idea how i can make him stop this? With regards to the treatment, the vet suggested that we take again sample from his feces on Wednesday and SUnday. Should his feces start to become harder and we will continue with valbazen. If he shows no porgress he suggested to use fysiogen (tinadozole) which is a drug used in humans for giardia and not penocur. What do you think? Is he going to be alright in the end after all this? What if he has been having it for more than 2 motnhs? What kind of damage his intestines might have suffered? Do you have any product to propose for probiotics and to restore the flora in his intestine?