Wolf Dogs Being Crossed in the UK

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by bengan

First of all ... All I've done was question your statements.. the ones you made here...so these is the place to post questions.. questions that you have never answered.. and for Mrs Keizer... most people in the wolfdog world know or know of her.. she is not however on my Christmas card list..

my English is not bad...here a definition for you...
Crossbreed..."offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties or breeds or species." so crossing a CVS with anything other then an other CVS, say a wolf, would be a crossbreed.. hence.. your contradiction in statements.."there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS" your words... and yet per definition you have crossbred the CVS

I'm glad you are laughing.... and you are not alone....

Bengan

did one of the breed clubs in Europe breed CVS to wolf? did they register pups? ask them /

[bengan]

it's a shame you consider my questions and your lack of or unwillingness to give answers as a vendetta...

Do you know the story "The scorpion and the frog"..?
somethings are as they are.. just as some people are as they are..and one can't expect them to change..
So I've given up expecting you to ever back up any of your claims or make public your "evidence" or even look at yourself before passing judgment on others..
There is no doubt that you care and know a lot about wolfdogs..just some of your ways/means and or motivations are questionable.. however I do wish you all the best with your "wolf like" dogs.
After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people..

Bengan

[Nebulosa]

So, crossbreed for you is only with other dogbreeds, and how we name cross CzW with a Timberwolf Hybrid like seems you have done?

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

So, crossbreed for you is only with other dogbreeds, and how we name cross CzW with a Timberwolf Hybrid like seems you have done?

not a very good start if you cant tell a pure wollf when you see one is it??? not to worry we all learn something everyday, and you want to know what we call such mating, well i take example from CWS lines for this answer maby same as you call Sarik canis lupus x Xela z pohranieni straze ? CWS with wolf? so i must not do this WHY? please tell me? this is my private life i breed other wollfdogs, you have problem with this? so i am not aloud to breed with wolf for my research? but breeders in USA have sent me messages for advice on how to rear pups without useing the barbaric method of taking pups from mother at 10 days old and feeding from bottle to make pups have bond with humans, so this year some breeders in USA will try my method and its all thanks to my CWS who was a great father and without his help it would ot have been possable,, you know nothing about me or the work i do, and if it where not for peoplle like you i have wonderful experiences with the wolf and CWS people only dream of, and that i would love to share with people, for i am so proude of my CWS and my male Soli is something to be prode of, I used my CWS to train a wolf, have you ever witnessed a male CWS take a pup being born from a wolf and take the sack off and chew the cord, like the pup till it takes it first breath,clean the pups, regurgate food to the pups? people from all over the world where amazed at my photos, one man who was shown a certain photo said he had never witnessed this and he signed it for me,, Sir David Attenbrough.... now back to your dull question that you cant ask but ill tell you what you want to know and what you are implying in your question,,, No i will not use any of the pups to breed back to my CWS, o.k. is it o.k. to cross bred the CWS with other breed of dog ? NO why not? other dogs have health problems, so why add more to the pups of such cross breedings, the pure CWS in uk will remain pure, WE WORKED SO HARD OVER THE YEARS AND WE DONT LET CROSS BREEDS REACH REGISTER///// so now like me take a look at all the pics of CWS on wolfdog .org work your way from the north of Europe to the south,, are they the same breed??? now have closer look, dogs that look like bitchs, small dogs, small bitchs, eye colour, shape of eye, tali set, coats soft as poodle, ears??? at shows in France my friends and i see registered CWS that look like jackel or large fox, no substance and shy dogs with tail between legs so much it can not be seen, these dogs have no character hiding behind owners, one of my friends said to me that owner must beat his dog when i lift my hand to greet him he runs behind owner and shakes,, again ALL DOGS ARE REGISTERED ..... cross breeding, inbreeding, but it is there for all to see, look at the posts on different health problems creeping slowly into the CWS,, it is major problem in Europe for the CWS but not in uk for at least we know the cross breeders here and can make sure not one of these dogs ever get registration, you can in Europe stop this for like uk i am sure between all your people some of them will know where it goes wrong and can put end to it, or at least stop substandard dogs offspring from getting registrations,,,,, pacino

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by solowolf

No i will not use any of the pups to breed back to my CWS, o.k. pacino

So what happened to the pups of Kizzy's litter.
Did you keep them all?
If the reason for this litter was "research", the "research" should be most probably not finished yet. So what's going on?
They are 7-8 months old.

Michael

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

So, crossbreed for you is only with other dogbreeds, and how we name cross CzW with a Timberwolf Hybrid like seems you have done?

the breeder of Kizzy has just emailed she was not amused at you calling her a Timberwolf Hybird,,,,,,,,should have went to spec savers.....

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by bengan

After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people..

Bengan

I totaly agree !!!

And mixing a CsV whit a wolf or a hybrid is in my eyes more wrong then to mix a CsV whit a dog !!!

Regards / Mikael

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by bengan

it's a shame you consider my questions and your lack of or unwillingness to give answers as a vendetta...

Do you know the story "The scorpion and the frog"..?
somethings are as they are.. just as some people are as they are..and one can't expect them to change..
So I've given up expecting you to ever back up any of your claims or make public your "evidence" or even look at yourself before passing judgment on others..
There is no doubt that you care and know a lot about wolfdogs..just some of your ways/means and or motivations are questionable.. however I do wish you all the best with your "wolf like" dogs.
After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people..

Bengan

oh dont take it to heart i have a sick sense of hummour even my mum dosent like me, i am private person and i like to breed dogs o.k. i dont breed alot 3 litters in 6 yrs,but i enjoy and love my dogs a lot ,now dont you go giving up on me after all this time i know its been slow, i dont often do this but just for you on line for all to witness, I R.WINDER GIVE YOU MY WORD THAT ALL I STATED REGARDING DE LOUBA TAR IS TRUE, IF NOT I WILL GIVE YOU ALL MY CWS, i have sent cd to Dutch memmber of this site as it is all in dutch,,, so it should be with this person tommorow or next day, i will then ask this person to send you private mail to confirm my facts...... now if you have time i will share with you my work with my wolf and my CWS dog Soli and show my work and what i have achieved and it will i hope change the way others remove cubs from the mother wolf at 10 days old, one breeder in USA has agreed to try it in 2009 useing low content wolfdog male, for example i take one pup from Kizzy at 10 days for 5 mins, she is o.k. next day i take 2 pups for 5 mins, she is ok, next 3 pups kizzy is out looking for them serching the compound, next day i leave it, then following i take all cubs, frantic behaviour,, going crazy, so i hurry in and reunite her with the pups, i never do this again ever, but i have to do this as i read most breeders do this, i have to see what reactions from wolf are, these breeders treat wolf as if it is dog, i remind them wolf has pups, but unlike dog wolf pups remain with mother and in pack, some may even spend rest of life in same pack as mother, so it is not normal for the pups to sudenly disapear, the stress caused to the wolf is unbelivable and it is barbaric for people to do this just because they want to have wolf that excepts humans.. i prove with help of SOLI CWS it can be done different way and cause less stress on wolf,, i still dont believe all pups should go , so i keep two and let them grow up with mother, i will keep them with her and maybe if i breed again or when they are lots older i can remove them,, i watch them everyday playing and watch her teach them things, how can people call themselves wolf lovers when they deprive the mother of all this. horrible people.. i will send you photos,, by the way i never cross my CWS with any breed of dog ever. pacino

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by solowolf

did one of the breed clubs in Europe breed CVS to wolf? did they register pups? ask them /

Just because they did, do not make it right for whomever to mix hybids at home

Sad regards / Mikael

[Margo]

Originally Posted by solowolf

did one of the breed clubs in Europe breed CVS to wolf? did they register pups? ask them /

Yes, and no... Some people broke many regulations and hidding the real information they registered them. But all this crossings (3 dogs) has been banned by the Czech CzW Club.
Sure after it one of the crossing has been registered in the biggest Italian kennel and the breeder registered it as "CzW" and breed with this dog but ALL offsprings of these dogs are banned by the Slovakian CzW Club - the breeders in the country which is patron of the breed. There are so many cheats which call themself "CzW bredders" but register and breed dogs which are NOT Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And some Kennel Clubs allow registering mixes (not only canadian wolf mixes but also husky-german-shepherd dog-something mixes and Saarloos mixes) the breed club in the origin country want to achieve so that at last in Slovakia there will be only PURE Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And so far I know Czech CzW Club will join them too...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Margo

And some Kennel Clubs allow registering mixes (not only canadian wolf mixes but also husky-german-shepherd dog-something mixes and Saarloos mixes) the breed club in the origin country want to achieve so that at last in Slovakia there will be only PURE Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And so far I know Czech CzW Club will join them too...

Register as what ??? CsV

Which clubs

Regards / Mikael