Crying Wolf - kennel

[jasmine]

hmmmm
Margo,
In this case I think it is doesn't matter of the name of the dog/breeder/owner .......and it is a REAL CASE.....

Pzemek,
We both know that I have sent much more HD certification to you than you put to the database...moreover there are some wrong results.....aaaand I'm just wondering have you ever seen the HD certification about the HD/D dog in Germany??? Because I haven't seen it.............so for me a little bit strange that you put some fals and incorrect results, some of them without official certification, but don't put some results though I have sent the official certifications such as: Juma,Myra,Galiba,Volos and I could continue.....most of all about my all breeding dogs.....
So make calculation with fals and missing results....hmmmmmm......

Anyway: I have never sad that hungary would have the best evaulation...but I could tell you that my vet is strict. And a little bit strange that we start with the same bloodlines, and in Hungary or Czeh Republik are very bad results...but some other countries are almost just excelent dogs.......so I'm a little bit sceptic, sorry.........

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by jasmine

Anyway: I have never sad that hungary would have the best evaulation...but I could tell you that my vet is strict. And a little bit strange that we start with the same bloodlines, and in Hungary or Czeh Republik are very bad results...but some other countries are almost just excelent dogs.......so I'm a little bit sceptic, sorry.........

I think you just named the BIG PROBLEM !!! "my vet is strict"

But how can we trust that she/he is ???
And how can we trust that all vets in your country are stict ???
And how can we know that somebody do not pay for a good result ???
Or knows the vet personally ???

I think we can only trust HD results from contrys whit a HD committee !!!

Best regards / Mikael

[jasmine]

In my country are two HD committee.....my vet is the member in one of them. The protocol is: he makes x-ray (with chipnumber and noseprint), make a pre-examination for me and send to the X-ray to the Orthoped Committee. We get back the results and the complex certification. The committee send the results to our kennelklub too,and it will be booked there.
In the committee are more veterinars (the best orthoped surgerons), and we could never know who will make the examination.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by jasmine

In my country are two HD committee.....my vet is the member in one of them. The protocol is: he makes x-ray (with chipnumber and noseprint), make a pre-examination for me and send to the X-ray to the Orthoped Committee. We get back the results and the complex certification. The committee send the results to our kennelklub too,and it will be booked there.
In the committee are more veterinars (the best orthoped surgerons), and we could never know who will make the examination.

Thanks now I feel better

But the problem is that there are still not a HD committee in all countrys

Regards / Mikael

[admin]

Originally Posted by jasmine

Anyway: I have never sad that hungary would have the best evaulation...but I could tell you that my vet is strict.

You say so... But according to the stats I would not say that... It is nothing against your vet. Maybe he is really strict compared to others. But it do not seems that dogs in your country are evaluated stricter than in other....

Originally Posted by jasmine

And a little bit strange that we start with the same bloodlines, and in Hungary or Czeh Republik are very bad results...but some other countries are almost just excelent dogs.......so I'm a little bit sceptic, sorry.........

You are right. But it is easy to explain. In countries where ALL results are published the statistics are "worser" than in countries where breeders and owners publish only part of the results and nobody knows all of them.

In Czech Republic, Germany and Holland ALL HD-result are published in the official databases and magazines so we can easily put them into the database.
In Italy there is database with all results but we are not able to check all dogs if they were x-ray tested so many x-ray results are missing.
In other countries we get only results sent by owners and breeders and as we know most of them send only the good results and hide the bad.

The best example can be exactly Poland because we know about many hidden things here... On the first look the stats look nice - there are many dogs with great HD-results and only few with HD. So someone can say the vets in Poland are to so strict because the % of dogs without HD is pretty high. BUT only if you don't know the reality. And the reality it: there are more dogs with middle and strong HD in Poland but info about them is not included in the database.
We know several cases of HD-checked dogs which have dysplasia but the results has been never officialy sent to us so we can not include the results in the database. No, the real statistics for Poland are much worser than according to the database because some breeders do not publish results which are worser than HD-B.
When we will count also cases of dogs with HD which we already know we get statistics which are comparable to the results in Germany or Holland. And for sure the stats are even worser because for sure we do not know about all hidden cases of HD.

And it is exactly the same reason why in some countries (for example also Italy) the percentage of HD-free dogs is higher or much higher than in other countries. Not because dogs living there are more heathy. Or because the vets are no so strict. But mainly because the breeders hide bad results and publish only info about HD-A and HD-B dogs...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by jasmine

In my country are two HD committee.....my vet is the member in one of them. The protocol is: he makes x-ray (with chipnumber and noseprint), make a pre-examination for me and send to the X-ray to the Orthoped Committee. We get back the results and the complex certification. The committee send the results to our kennelklub too,and it will be booked there.
In the committee are more veterinars (the best orthoped surgerons), and we could never know who will make the examination.

I would only hope that you was just as hard when it comes to inbreeding in your county...

"There is also the consanguinity trouble which is directly related to this point, on 5 generations some Crying Wolf mating have a COI of 25% (as reference brother sister mating gives 25% COI)."

Sad regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Dogs with COI(5 generations) more than 20% since 2002 (sorted by birthday):

2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yvain Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yolka Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yasmine Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yarl Yanatos Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yanus Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yam Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yago Crying Wolf

2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thor Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Therpsis Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thalia Crying Wolf

2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Ré Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rubin Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Robin Hood Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rambo Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rainbow Crying Wolf

2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Psisan Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phyrhus Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Philemon Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phenelope Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phemba Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Pharis Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phanom Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phaedra Crying Wolf
2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Ossa Crying Wolf
2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Orpheus Crying Wolf

2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Koira Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kazan Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavik Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavak Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karuk Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karlik Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kankin Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kajab Crying Wolf

2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Frida Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fortuna Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Forrest Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Flash Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Faust Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fargo Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fanny Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Falco Crying Wolf

2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Enzo Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elvis Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elton Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elmar Crying Wolf

Sad regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

And you are also on this topplist...

--Delited--

Sorry, not your dog anylonger...

Regards / Mikael